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=========================================================================<br></div><br>From: <span class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Tom Carty</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:cartyweb@hotmail.com">cartyweb@hotmail.com</a>></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Names" 2008.04.28 (03) [E]<br><br></span>
In Hiberno Englsih, the herb is basil, a soft "S", where the name is bazil a hard "z"<br>
<br>
Think of Basil Fawlty...<br><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Names" 2008.04.28 (03) [E]<br>
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>> Subject:</b> LL-L "Names" 2008.04.28 (03) [E]</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">> ... name: Bay-zil</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Baziel was the subject of jokes told by Guido Depraetere on
VTM TV for many years.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Some of them are also on CD as wel as reproduced in comics
books (I have 3 of them).</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">The language is Dutch with a strong coloration of West-Flemish
of Bruges.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Best illustrated on the CDs, but I cannot find them
momentarily.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">I scanned the cover and one joke from one of the comics strip
album:</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/baziel1.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/baziel1.jpg</a></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/baziel2.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/baziel2.jpg</a></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Regards,</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Roger<br><br>----------<br><br></font>From: <span class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Stan Levinson</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:stlev99@yahoo.com">stlev99@yahoo.com</a>></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Names" 2008.04.28 (03) [E]</span><br><br>OMY... I mean the exact opposite!!!<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Stan Levinson</span> <span><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:stlev99@yahoo.com" target="_blank">stlev99@yahoo.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">LL-L "Names" 2008.04.28 (01) [E]</span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span>I'm pretty sure "Standard American" is <br>
name: Bay-zil<br>herb: bazzle<br>That's how I've always heard it.<br>Stan<br></div>
<br>----------<br><br>From: <span class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Fonken, Gael M. [<a href="mailto:foga0301@stcloudstate.edu">foga0301@stcloudstate.edu</a>]</span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="HcCDpe">Names--Basil<br></span><p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Dear listers,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> I'm
a devotee of early Orthodox saints, and St. Basil the Great is on the top of
that list. After studying theology with real scholars who studied original texts
in Greek, Aramaic, and Syrian, etc, I'm very comfortable saying </span><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">"Bazzle"</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> since that is the proper way to
pronounce that name. Among monks here in the US, it is still used and
carefully pronounced correctly, but in the context of larger society I tend to
read it incorrectly as </span><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">"BAY-zl"</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">…going with the flow. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> You're
right, though, it doesn't seem proper to confuse these two items (the
person and the herb), even if Basil may have put basil in his stew. St. Basil
is credited for developing the first hospitals, but he is more famous for his
ascetic writings and the pressure he put on rich citizens to share horded food
stashes with those who were starving in the streets during a famine. His
thinking was really basic—eat to live, not live to eat. He himself almost
starved to death living out in the hills by himself doing the things monks do.
I don't associate his name with food at all, except in its absence. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Gael Fonken</span></p>----------<br><br>From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Names<br><br>Hi, Gael!<br><br>"Proper" and "incorrect" ... hmm ... OK, so "Bazzle" is the <i>preferred</i> pronunciation in English-speaking<i> </i>Orthodox and Catholic monastic circles, but the "BAY-zil" pronunciation is considered standard in many other circles. I don't think there's a "proper" for the entire English language. Of course, those to whom the ecclesiastic contention is important the "Bazzle" pronunciation may seem superior.<br>
<br>After all, "Bazzle" is a far cry from the original Greek Βασίλειος (<i>Vasíleios</i>). More "proper" or "correct" would be something like *Vasily or even better *Vasiley (with a sharp "s" and the main stress on the second syllable), thus similar to the Russian pronunciation. Almost all imported names, especially Greek-rooted ones, are "mispronounced" in English, or anywhere else. But they are standard anyway, and some have more than one standard pronunciation, this being one of them. Which one is better would be up to dialect and to personal preference.<br>
<br>Stan:<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;">OMY... I mean the exact opposite!!!<br></div><br>But we love you anyway. So there!<br><span class="HcCDpe"><br></span>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br></div><br><br>