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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Stan Levinson</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:stlev99@yahoo.com">stlev99@yahoo.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span class="HcCDpe"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">LL-L "Names" 2008.04.28 (01) [E]</span><br><br></span>I'm pretty sure "Standard American" is <br>
name: Bay-zil<br>herb: bazzle<br>That's how I've always heard it.<br>Stan<br><br><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Mike Morgan</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:mwmosaka@gmail.com">mwmosaka@gmail.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Names" 2008.04.28 (01) [E]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">re: the name Basil as well as the herb, I am NOT sure that REAL</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Americans were familiar with either. And by REAL Americans I mean, of</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
course, the folks down home (as opposed to BACK home) when I was</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
growing up (though of course, being a military brat, I was only ever</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
down home for 2 weeks in the summer). (Down home, iffn ya'll don't</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
remember, is Ferrum, Virginia (mom's side of the family) and Davy,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
West Virginia (dad's side))</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
I doubt seriously if I ever tasted or saw or heard of the herb till my</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
late teens (meaning the early-to-mid 1970's ... and YES, once we</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Americans took to that tasty foreign herb I have NEVER heard it</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
referred to by Americans as anything other than BAY-zl).</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
As for the NAME, Basil is NOT a particularly American name, and so the</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
ONLY person by that name that I ever heard mention of growing up was</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Basil Rathbones, the South African-turned-Hollywood actor, famous for</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
a number of movies in the 1930's (LONG before MY time!) and known to</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
ME and my ilk for his role as Sherlock Holmes, opposite Nigel Bruce's</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Dr Watson. And HIS name was always pronounced Bazzl. Maybe that is</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
because he was a foreigner ... indeed as I said I can't rightly say</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
HOW Americans of my parent's generation pronounced either, because</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
they probably never HEARD of either.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
AT home ... in Bombay.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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++++++++++++++++</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
माईकल मोर्गन (पी.एच.डी.)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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++++++++++++++++</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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ムンバイ(ボンベイ)、インド</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: Names<br><br>Hmmm ... I suppose certain English names are fairly rare in the US and more educated Americans associate them with Britain, such as also Amanda, Cyril, Duncan, Emma, Gemma, Gordon, Graham, Neville, Nigel, Nola, Penelope, Simon, ...<br>
<br>I do find it interesting that in Britain names are used that go back to Byzanthium, names whose equivalents are mostly used in Orthodox Christian regions:<br><br>Greek Βασίλειος (<i>Vasíleios </i>"kingly one") > Basil (e.g., Russian Василий </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Vasilij</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Greek </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Κύριλλος (<i>Kýrillos </i>"lordly one") > Cyril (e.g., Russian Кирилл </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Kirill</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron<br>
<br>----------<br><br>From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Names" 2008.04.28 (01) [E]<br><br></span><div style="margin-left: 40px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">></span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Subject: Names</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"></span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Thanks, Paul. <i>Where</i> did you hear them distinguished though?</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"></span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Regards,</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Reinhard/Ron</span><br>
</div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">The
Australian BAY-zl I heard from various friends there; Queensland to
Tasmania, NSW to Perth. Most of my friends I suppose would fall into
the Australian "middle-class", fairly or very well educated, widely
travelled. Language doesn't change much regionally in Australia;
there's much more of a social distinction - though not everyone
conforms to it.</div> <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div> <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">The
English BAA-sill was among I suppose comparable people, speaking fairly
standard English tending to Estuary. I may be mistaken but I think
I've heard TV chef Jamie Oliver use it too. He has an Essex accent, but
is notorious for lapsing into faux-Cockney.</div> <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div> <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">But
you've got me thinking now. We've got a pretty wide selection of people
at work from various parts of England as well as Scotland and Ireland.
I'll carry out an informal survey.</div> <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888"> <div>Paul</div> </font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Danette & John Howland</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:dan_how@msn.com">dan_how@msn.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Names" 2008.04.28 (01) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Hi, all.<br>
<br>
Ron wrote:<br>
<br><font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" color="#0000ff">"I
know some people in Australia that pronounce the personal name "Basil"
as "Bazzle" but pronounce the name of the herb "basil" as "BAY-zl".</font><br></blockquote>
<blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">
<font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" color="#0000ff">How far spread is this pronunciation distinction?"</font><br></font></blockquote>
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" color="#0000ff"><font color="#000000">I know that the British actor Basil Rathbone was a "Bazzle."</font></font></font></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" color="#0000ff"><font color="#000000">John Howland</font></font></font></span><br>
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