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<div style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">=========================================================================<br>L O W L A N D S - L - 01 May 2008 - Volume 07<br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Sandy Fleming</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:sandy@scotstext.org">sandy@scotstext.org</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Names" 2008.05.02 (05) [E]<br><br></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="Ih2E3d">
> From: Luc Hellinckx <<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: LL-L "Phonology"<br>
><br>
> Beste Ingmar & Ron,<br>
><br>
> Ingmar wrote:<br>
> > I pronounce it "baSIlicum" [ba"silik@m] in Dutch. So with an S<br>
> > instead of<br>
> > a Z and with the second syllable stressed.<br>
><br>
> Same stress here for basilicum, but with a Z (and "basiLIek" indeed).<br>
> However, a shopping mall, near the big basilica of Koekelberg<br>
> (Brussels) is called "BAsilix", but with a Z (stress on "ba", even in<br>
> French I think).<br>
><br>
> Btw, "la Basilicata" is also a region in Southern Italy, that used to<br>
> be called Lucania. Some think that Luc(as) < Loukanos = Greek for "man<br>
> from Lucania". The region used to be inhabited by Greek people, and<br>
> Basilicata < Basilikos (Greek for "official of the king"), as it was<br>
> part of Magna Graecia. Apparently, Saxons (of all people :-D ) tried<br>
> to eradicate this Greek presence in Italy. More about the Italo/Greek<br>
> character of Southern Italy:<br>
<br>
</div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I suppose it has to be asked, where does the town of Basildon in Essex,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
England, fit into all this?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Presumably the "don" means an upland region or hill, leaving "Basil" to</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
be explained.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
I pronounce the herb and name as "bazzle" in English and Scots, but in</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Scots the /a/ -> /e/ shift can be productive on the stressed syllable if</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
it's the first syllable of the word. Some such shifts are old and not</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
optional in the regions where they're applied, eg, father -> faither,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
some may be more dynamic, eg I might say "carpet" or sometimes</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
"cairpet".</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
In general, the further south in Scotland, the more you hear the /e/</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
forms. By the time you reach Berwickshire you may even hear "waiter" for</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
"watter" (water), which people in central dialects probably wouldn't</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
use. Conversely, it can surprise some central Scots to find that</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
"father" is still used rather than "faither" in some more northerly</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
dialects.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
So it's always possible that some Scots speakers, most likely in the</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
south, would say "baizle" as a productive phonetic shift.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888"><br>
Sandy Fleming<br>
<a href="http://scotstext.org/" target="_blank">http://scotstext.org/</a></font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <<a href="mailto:ingmar.roerdinkholder@WORLDONLINE.NL">ingmar.roerdinkholder@WORLDONLINE.NL</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Names" 2008.05.02 (05) [E]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
I pronounce "basilicum" with [s] because word initial s or stressed</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
syllable initial s in Dutch is pronounced [s] not [z] before a vowel.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Unlike German, where s = [z] in this position. When the syllable does not</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
have stress, it is z in Dutch. BaSIlicum (= E. basil) with [s], but</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
basiLIEK (=basilica) with [z] because the syllable si does not have stress</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
here... Complicated?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Ingmar</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
From: Luc Hellinckx <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: LL-L "Phonology"</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Beste Ingmar & Ron,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Ingmar wrote:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
I pronounce it "baSIlicum" [ba"silik@m] in Dutch. So with an S instead of</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
a Z and with the second syllable stressed.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Same stress here for basilicum, but with a Z (and "basiLIek" indeed).</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
However, a shopping mall, near the big basilica of Koekelberg (Brussels) is</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
called "BAsilix", but with a Z (stress on "ba", even in French I think).</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Btw, "la Basilicata" is also a region in Southern Italy, that used to be</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
called Lucania. Some think that Luc(as) < Loukanos = Greek for "man from</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Lucania". The region used to be inhabited by Greek people, and Basilicata <</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Basilikos (Greek for "official of the king"), as it was part of Magna</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Graecia. Apparently, Saxons (of all people :-D ) tried to eradicate this</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Greek presence in Italy. More about the Italo/Greek character of Southern</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Italy:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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