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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <<a href="mailto:ingmar.roerdinkholder@WORLDONLINE.NL">ingmar.roerdinkholder@WORLDONLINE.NL</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Traditions" 2008.05.03 (04) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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I guess Dutch (archaic) "eiber" and "uiver" will be from the same source.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Maybe in "eiber" the word "ei" = egg plays a role, egg-bearer so to say.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
And Dutch Low Saxon has "heileuver" from "heil" (luck, health, fortune)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
+ "...", next to "störk".</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Ingmar</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Reindert schreef:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
I believe the apparently Germanic-specific stork mythology grew from a</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
confluence of two traditions:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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1. Storks are monogamous, tend to return to and raise their annual</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
offspring in the same nests and seem to attach themselves to the same</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
houses</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
or villages year after year, thus symbolizing traditional human ideals</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
of</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
home, family, fertility, faithfulness and constancy.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
2. In many Continental Lowlands language varieties, one of the early</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
words, probably a by-name, for "stork" is **udafaro* "wetlands</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
traveler" (**uda* being related to the "water" group, and</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
**faro*being related to the "fare" and "-farer" group). Apparently,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
this came to be</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
reanalyzed as **ôdaboro* ~ **âdabaro* "fortune-bearer", hence for</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
instance Dutch and Afrikaans *ooievaar*, W. Frisian *earrebarre*, and</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Low Saxon *adebaar* > *aadbaar*, *aabaar*, *ebeer*, etc. (> German *</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Adebar*).</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Maria Elsie Zinsser</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Traditions" 2008.05.03 (02) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hi all,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Dankscheen, Sönke, then I guess the Pennsylvanians actually say 'stork bite' rather than 'bitten by the stork'. </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Cheers, </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Elsie Zinsser </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: <font color="#5b1094"><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.com" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.com</a></font><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);"></span><br>
Subject: LL-L "Traditions" 2008.05.05</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Mörike's "Storchenbotschaft" gives the tradition in all its glory/fun.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">He has the shepherd ask the storks quite directly<br>"Du hast wohl mein Mädel gebissen ins Bein?"</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">It's only at the end of the poem he realises why two storks have come to tell him about the happy delivery!</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">English also
has 'stork bites' for the red marks otherwise known as 'strawberry
marks' that babies sometimes have at birth, which then fade over the
next few months ( mostly)</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">And we also
use the stork image as baby deliverer on cards etc even tho' storks do
not favour England with their presence - except perhaps occasionally in
East Anglia??? or am I imagining that.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">So when did
we adopt the image? Did it come over with the Angles & the Jutes?
Or is it a late entry into our traditions? Or did we used to have
storks on a regular basis nesting over here?</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Some many questions!</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">best wishes</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Heather</p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: Traditions</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Is it possible that in Britain and later in other English-speaking countries the Germanic stork tradition got the French cabbage patch tradition as a competitor? If so, did the latter come in with Norman times or later? And -- to join our Heather -- how old is this stork thing? Might it go back all the way to Old Saxon times?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">It is interesting to note that the stork tradition appears to be specifically Lowlandic, according to the Wikipedia:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="margin-left: 40px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">The stork's folkloric role as a bringer of babies and harbinger of luck and prosperity may originate from the Netherlands and Northern Germany, where it is common in children's nursery stories.</div>
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Did anyone mention that in the original versions of the tradition the stork drops the baby through the chimney?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">The Dutch and both Low Saxon Wikipedia versions make no mention of the stork traditions.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">According to the German Wikipedia, there is also an old tradition in which the stork cares for the elderly.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Interestingly, most Wikipedia versions do not mention the tradition, but the Indonesian and Turkish ones do, and they do so without looking like straight translations of the English version.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">It may be interesting to note that in ancient Chinese tradition storks take the spirits of the deceased to heaven.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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