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<div style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">=========================================================================<br>L O W L A N D S - L - 16 May 2008 - Volume 03<br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Kevin & Cheryl Caldwell</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:kevin.caldwell1963@verizon.net">kevin.caldwell1963@verizon.net</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Semantics" 2008.05.16 (01) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">In my experience, these days when people
are trying to sound really formal they are just as likely to say "individual"
as "man," "guy," or "gentleman" (or "woman" or "lady"). So your example below
might come out as, "I saw those two individuals incessantly beating one
another." I especially hear this usage on TV news, usually from police press
spokesmen describing something like a robbery or shooting.</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Sometimes when I hear a woman strenuously
object to being referred to as "lady" by saying, "I'm not a lady!", what goes
through my (occasionally devious) mind is, "You can say that again!"</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Kevin Caldwell</span></font></p>
<div style="margin-left: 40px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span></font><font size="2"><br></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
Subject: Semantics</span></font><font size="2"><br></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
</span></font><font size="2"><br></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
Thanks a lot, guys!</span></font><font size="2"><br></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
</span></font><font size="2"><br></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
Paul, your examples pretty much tally with the way they would be in US American
media reports. So we need to tweak the description to show that in more formal
(public report-style) statements "man" is still used in that way. In
a less formal (though not casual) style, "gentleman" tends to be the
choice now. This includes for instance members of the public being interviewed
in the media or by the police (e.g. "I saw those two gentlemen incessantly
beating another."). The feminine equivalent seems to be "woman".</span></font><br><font size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font></div><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Luc Hellinckx</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Semantics"<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Beste Ron,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
You wrote:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" type="cite">I,
too, believe that there are lots of geographical, social and contextual
variations within the US. <br>
<br>
I myself still
have a hard time referring to a woman as "woman," especially when it's
within earshot of her. My inclination is to say "lady". I guess that's
a generational thing.<br>
</blockquote>
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Guess you haven't yet come to terms with the shifted meaning of "bitch"
either then? <span> :-D </span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Used to be highly offensive, but has almost become an honorary nickname
for some these days. </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
See for example: </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=biatch&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/trends?q=biatch&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all</a><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
how "biatch" suddenly came into being.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Kind greetings,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888">
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