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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">M.-L. Lessing</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Anthropology" 2008.05.24 (01) [E]<br><br></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Congratulations anyway, dear great-uncle
Reinhard! Sometimes these babies do come all of a sudden, you know?
;-)</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br></div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">P.S.: About ten minutes
ago I just found that I've become a great-uncle. That and a few pictures is
all I know so far ... I owe a few people some spanking for their
secrecy.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Mike Wintzer</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:k9mw@yahoo.com">k9mw@yahoo.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Anthropology" 2008.05.24 (01) [E]<br></span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Dear Lowlanders,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">First congrats to you, Ron, for your (first?) great-uncleship!!!</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">It would appear, looking at the original posting of yesterday,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">that the discussion digressed from the original</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">TWO questions: </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">1. The mysteries of the origin of the Basques?</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">2. The alleged presence of a SECOND race,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> comparable to the pygmies in Africa, South </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> and South-East Asia and (formerly) Australia.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Sorry to dwell on this non-LL subject but I am</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">fascinated by both questions, but especially </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">by the second one.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reading up on "cagots" on the internet has</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">further confused me.<br>Greetings 2all, Mike Wintzer</p>
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: <span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Mark Dreyer</span> <span><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Anthropology" 2008.05.23 (06) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="#00681c">Dear Mike & Ron</font><div> </div>
<div>Subject: LL-L "Anthropology"</div></div>
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: Anthropology<br><br>Thanks, guys!<br><br>Mike, I'm afraid you may be reading a bit too much into it.<br></span><p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
2. The alleged presence of a SECOND race,</p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> comparable to the pygmies in Africa, South </p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> and South-East Asia and (formerly) Australia.</p>
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">"Pygmies" is likely to be too strong a word. When people want to draw lines between themselves and what they consider another ethnic group that they want to ostracize they tend to exaggerate and generalize, especially when it comes to seizing upon genetic physical features. A general tendency toward shorter statures makes the whole group "dwarfs" or such, higher incidence rates of darker skin makes them "black," and relatively frequent occurrence of shorter earlobes makes them "without earlobes." Extremes of such </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">modi operandi</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> can be seen in the Nazi propaganda machine's publications teaching people how to spot Jews, Gypsies, Slavs and other "inferior races" by sight, and all the caricatures that resulted from that.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Bear in mind that the Agot ~ Cagot had to wear special attire to be recognizable, this being comparable to Jews having to wear special hats in medieval times and the yellow star under the German fascists. If they were so easily recognizable, why would it be necessary to distinguish them by means of attire?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">All that matters here is that a certain group was ostracized and that this group is </span><u style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">alleged to</u><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> have had certain physical characteristics. In the absence of further evidence, all we can do is speculate, also check if something like this occurred in the Lowlands area apart from views and treatment of Jews and Roma.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Considering the (C)agot descendants of Goths is ridiculous, since the Goths were descendants of Scandinavians, and Scandinavians aren't exactly known for their short stature and swarthy skin. Come my own (wildly) speculated possibilities:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<ol style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><li><i>Goto</i> ~ <i>godo</i> (Goth) had become a dirty word in general and had come to be applied to any despised groups of persons.<br><br></li><li>Unbeknown to us, (Iranian) Alans (ancestors of todays Ossetians) or members of another ethnic group (perhaps even supposedly Altaic Huns) that the Goths had allied themselves with at various times had tagged on to the Goths and had kept itself separate or was made to do so.<br>
<br></li><li>The (Germanic-rooted) Vandals had been trough that area on their way to North Africa, and some of them later crossed from there to the west coast of Iberia and to the Balearic Islands (all of which is factual). For all we know, Berbers tagged along and came to be ostracized. "Vandals," "Goths" and their minions ...? What's the difference, huh? ;-)<br>
</li></ol><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Just musing and cautioning ...</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">