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<div style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">=========================================================================<br>L O W L A N D S - L - 25 May 2008 - Volume 05<br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Luc Hellinckx</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Anthropology"<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Beste Theo,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></span>
<blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" type="cite">
<div>>
the root-forms of Basque technical language reach<br>
> back to a stone-age culture, with the word 'knife'<br>
> for example going back to<br>
> the name for 'flint' & 'ceiling' means literally<br>
> 'the roof of the cave'<br>
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[...]<br>
<br>
I'm a bit
sorry, great Mark,<br>
<br>
But is this
really an argument?<br>
<br>
I mean-
example: most words for cup / bowl and so on<br>
in european
languages go back to roots for 'skull'.<br>
</blockquote>
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
I guess it all depends on how the words came into being: litterally or
metaphorically. </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
In the case of cup/bowl I think the idea may have been that these
objects have the shape of a skull; whereas "flint" for "knife" sounds
operational/technical (just like "mes" (D) = the meat cutter).</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
On the other hand, Indo-European vocabulary probably also goes back a
long way: the act of making a clearance in the woods. I have the
impression this way of life is more tied to sedentary people though.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Which makes me think of the hunter-gatherer life proto-Basques were
having. Another reason (apart from "art") why they may have had a
relatively easy life is a geographical one. If not only humans, but
animals as well were heading south because of the last Ice Age, the
Gulf of Gascony was a very strategic place to be. Imagine all those
herds trekking South, as soon as they approached the Pyrenees, they
were almost trapped: on their right was the Atlantic Ocean, on their
left the Basques hiding in the valleys; so all the animals could do was
either retreat or stay as close as possible to the ocean (passes are
high in the Pyrenees). Guess most will have tried their luck, but for
the Basques they must have been an easy prey, either they drove them
into the ocean or they slaughtered them in this narrow alleyway between
their hiding-place and the ocean. No wonder then that they started
depicting them in their caves, this extra meat was almost heaven-sent.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Kind greetings,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888">
<br>
Luc Hellinckx</font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>><br>
Subject: </span>LL-L "Anthropology" 2008.05.24 (06) [A/E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="lDACoc"><br>
</span></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">from Heather Rendall <a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Mark wrote in reply to Ron & Mike .</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">"I reckon the
Basques are a homogenous survival of European strains of Homo Sapiens
Sapiens isolated by the Wurm Glaciation in the Pyrinees. With the
retreat of the Wurm other strains could return, & blended with the
surviving population in the more accessible areas, leaving the isolated
Basques - well - isolated. I think with Ron that these were the
megalithic people that built Stonehenge, Carnac, the structures on
Malta & the stone circles, long barrows on the Ahaggar plateau in
Algeria & the cromlechs in the High Galilea in Israel. I don't
assume the Basques did it but they were related to those who did. "</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Can I throw into
this particular pool the findings of Sir John Rhys & Brynmor Jones
( see the former's book with the latter's appendix "The Welsh People")
that the grammar of Welsh and Irish in non-european tho' their
vocabularies largely are. They also dismiss any relation between Basque
& this non-european grammar - which would be the most obvious
logical thought. Instead they give great detailed comparison between
Coptic, Berber and Irish/Welsh including</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">1. initial position in the sentence of the main verb</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">2. the use of a
singular 3rd person verb for both singular & plural subjects - so
long as nouns are subjects; if the plural pronoun is used then it atkes
3rd pers plur ending.</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">3. the use of the word 'back/after' to create the past tense</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">4. inflected prepositions [ I think I''m right in sayingt hat these are still traceable in medieval Welsh but now no longer]</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">etc</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Their conclusion
is that Mediterranean megalith stone builders populated the north coast
of Africa, Malta, the Balearics, Spain and Atlantic France. They then
moved up Str George's Channel ( between Ireland and Britain) and
settles Ireland Cornwall, Wales & Scotland taking with them their
tradition and skills in setting up monoliths, megaliths and stone
circles and left behind a language that was non-european.</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">best wishes and congrats to the new gt uncle</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">from </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Heather</div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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