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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Elsie Zinsser</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.05.29 (01) [E]<br></span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span><font color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Hi all,</span></font></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span><font color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Interesting theory, Ron.</span></font></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span><font color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">I always thought hello/hallo related more to hale, health, heal,
heil than to <span> </span><span> </span></span></font></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span><font color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">'look see'.</span></font></span></p>
<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888">
<p><span><font color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Elsie</span></font></span></p></font>
<div style="margin-left: 40px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The oldest attested form
of it seems to be "hollo(w)", which may still be used in some English
dialects. In writing, it occurs in Early Modern English; e.g., 1588
"Hollo, what storme is this?", 1989 "Hollow there, giue me the
beard I wore yesterday." "Hallow", which seems to be its hunting
variant and a nautical variant as well, occurs earlier, in Late Middle English;
e.g., <i><span style="font-style: italic;">Halow, schypmannys crye</span></i>. In
Early Modern English, the variant "halloo" started appearing (cf. the
German hunting call <i><span style="font-style: italic;">halli-hallo!</span></i>).</span></font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
</span></font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
I consider it possible that all of the above come from *<i><span style="font-style: italic;">ho, lo!</span></i> or *<i><span style="font-style: italic;">ha, lo!</span></i>, thus "Hah! Look!" or "Hah! See
there!" In other words, I am assuming here now obsolete "lo!" to
be a part of it. This is related to Middle English <i><span style="font-style: italic;">lo</span></i> and Old English <i><span style="font-style: italic;">lá</span></i>,
which are believed to be shortened forms of Middle English <i><span style="font-style: italic;">loke</span></i> and Old English <i><span style="font-style: italic;">lóca</span></i>, imperative of OE <i><span style="font-style: italic;">lócian "to </span></i>look" (cf. Old Saxon <i><span style="font-style: italic;">lôcon</span></i>, Middle Dutch <i><span style="font-style: italic;">loeken</span></i>, Old German <i><span style="font-style: italic;">luogên</span></i>, Modern German <i><span style="font-style: italic;">lugen</span></i>, Modern Alemannic <i><span style="font-style: italic;">luge</span></i> 'to look', 'to see', 'to spy'). So,
according to this theory, "hello" etc. originally meant something
like "Hah! Look there!" Developed into a greeting it might be
compared to colloquial Dutch <i><span style="font-style: italic;">Ha, die ...!</span></i></span></font><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black"> ("Hah! that ...!"). Thus,
"Hello, John!" would be similar to Dutch </font><i style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-style: italic;">Ha, die Jan!</span></i><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black">, originally an acknowledgment in the
form of a surprise expression ("Look there! It (that) John!").</font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black">
</font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black">
According to the <i><span style="font-style: italic;">Oxford English Dictionary</span></i>,
which does not provide an actual etymology of this word group otherwise,
15th-century French <i><span style="font-style: italic;">holà</span></i>
"Hoe, there!" may figure into this, at least as far as the Early
Modern English variant "hollo(w)" is concerned. </font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black">
</font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black">
Personally, I am not convinced that French provided the base of this entire
word group, even though occurrence of similar words (e.g. German <i><span style="font-style: italic;">hallo</span></i>) may tempt us to assume a common
donor language.</font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black">
</font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black">
Is it not just as possible that this word group is much older than that,
perhaps even going back to the time before Germanic colonization of Britain? In
that case, late attestation could be explained with the fact that colloquial
expressions came to be written relatively late in Germanic languages, mostly
beginning with the Renaissance when people began to dare to publish material
other than that dealing with religion, law and commerce. This makes for
difficult and controversial etymologies of interjections and other types of
once colloquial expressions. </font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black">
</font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black">
Regards,</font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black">
Reinhard/Ron</font><br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">jonny</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span class="HcCDpe"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.05.29 (01) [E]</span><br><br>
</span>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">Beste
Ron,</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">just very short to
'_hello_'/'_hallo_':</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">I've done a
look into de.wikipedia and found </font></span></div>
<div><span>
<p><b>Holla</b> bezeichnet:</p>
<ul><li>einen zum <a title="Hallo" href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallo" target="_blank">Hallo</a> verwandten Ruf zu einem
Fährmann im Sinne von "Hol über"
</li><li>eine germanische Göttin die als Holla, <a title="Perchta" href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perchta" target="_blank">Perchta</a> oder <a title="Hel" href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hel" target="_blank">Hel</a> bekannt ist und sich weiterhin
in der märchenhaften <a title="Frau Holle" href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frau_Holle" target="_blank">Frau Holle</a> der Gebrüder
Grimm wieder findet </li></ul></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">Hmmm?!</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">I agree with
you that '_hello_' (G: '_hallo_') probably hadn't been just a greeting
at first- it seems for me (the continental European ;-)) more to
be an indication for very Anglo-Saxon 'free space' and their famous custom
to be under-stating and undercooled (so the rumor says ;-)), though also
over here it is becoming, more and more, a nonbinding welcoming- but standing in
contest with <em><strong>'Hi'</strong></em> and <em><strong>'Moin'</strong></em>
(and<em> <strong>'Pfüat Di'</strong> </em>in Bavaria).</font></span></div>
<div> </div>
<div align="left">Allerbest!</div>
<div align="left"> </div>
Jonny Meibohm<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br>---------<br><br><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: Etymology<br><br>Thanks, Elsie and Jonny.<br><br>Jonny cited:<br></span><span><ul><li style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">einen zum <a title="Hallo" href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallo" target="_blank">Hallo</a> verwandten Ruf zu einem
Fährmann im Sinne von "Hol über"
</li><li><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">eine germanische Göttin die als Holla, </span><a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" title="Perchta" href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perchta" target="_blank">Perchta</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> oder </span><a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" title="Hel" href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hel" target="_blank">Hel</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> bekannt ist und sich weiterhin
in der märchenhaften </span><a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" title="Frau Holle" href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frau_Holle" target="_blank">Frau Holle</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> der Gebrüder
Grimm wieder findet</span> </li></ul></span>Are they serious?!<br><br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br><br>