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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Douglas G. Wilson</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:douglas@nb.net">douglas@nb.net</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.06.02 (04) [E]<br><br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>>><br>
Subject: Etymology<br>
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"Crow" is related to Middle German /kros/ or /krös/ (Modern German
/Gekröse/) and to Dutch /kroos(t)/, both 'mesentary', as well as Dutch
/kroos/ 'giblets', related also to Low Saxon /Krage/ 'mesentary'. I am
fairly confident that it is related to English /craw/ (< Old English
/craƽa/) 'crop (of a bird)', related to Middle Saxon /krage/, Old
German /chrago/, Danish /krave/, Old Norse /krage/, all 'throat' or
'neck'. Furthermore, I believe that this is related to Low Saxon and
German /Kragen/ 'collar'. In cooking, "crow" came to stand for "minor,
cheap cuts," mostly innards. ....<br>
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I don't think the etymology of "eat crow" is known with certainty. The
expression in its modern sense is not very old, found from about 1877
last I knew.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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There is a _supposed_ predecessor (ancestral according to claims made
as early as 1880), a joke which was printed repeatedly in US newspapers
in the 1850's: a man claimed he could eat anything; he agreed to eat [a
cooked] crow; practical jokers loaded the crow with "Scotch snuff"; the
man ate it with great distaste and discomfort, saying he could eat a
crow but that he didn't desire it (didn't "hanker for it" as it usually
appeared). I find this joke back to 1850. I'm not convinced that this
joke was really the inspiration for the modern idiom, however. I just
don't know.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
-- Doug Wilson</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>></span><span class="lDACoc"></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.06.02 (07) [E]<br></span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
From Heather Rendall <a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hugo wrote: <font size="2">There is the archaic Australian slang phrase "stone (starve) the crows" as an expression of surprise.</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">It may be archaic Down Under but it's very much alive
and kicking here! It's my 91 yr old mother's favourite expression ( of
surprise) and I shall now make a decided effort to include it in my 1
yr old granddaughter's vocab over the next few years!</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">bw</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Heather</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">PS Ron - thanks for your 'umble/ crow' explanation. Very fascinating!</font></p><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">