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<span style="color: black;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Idiomatica<br>
<br>
Dear Lowlanders,<br>
<br>
By now, many of you will know that Missingsch is a type of (usually low-class
urban) Northern German on Low Saxon substrata.<br>
<br>
More: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missingsch">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missingsch</a><br>
<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/missingsch-info.php">http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/missingsch-info.php</a><br>
<br>
In the German Wikipedia
(<a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missingsch">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missingsch</a>) one of the examples given of Low
Saxon idiomatic usage in Missingsch is <i>Der ist tot geblieben</i> (which
probably ought to be <i>Der is tot geblieben</i>) derived from Low Saxon (<i>He
is dood bläven</i>) 'He (has) died.'<br>
<br>
I do know that there are quite a few sorts of Missingsch and that they are now
moribund (which makes it hard to verify many descriptions). Also, I am
most certainly familiar with the Low Saxon expression and use it myself (literally
"He has remained dead", alternative to <i>He is sturven</i> 'He (has)
died' = German <i>Er ist gestorben</i>). However, I have never come across this
expression in any type of Missingsch or any other type of Northern German with
which I'm familiar, and I'm somewhat sceptical about the authenticity.<br>
<br>
Furthermore, at least in Hamburg Missingsch you say <i>er</i> for Standard
German <i>er</i> and Low Saxon <i>he</i> (<i>hey</i>) 'he'. In a context like
this one, <i>der</i> would correspond to SG <i>der</i> and LS <i>de</i> (<i>dey</i>)
'that one', 'he', 'she' (emphatic, demonstrative).<br>
<br>
More importantly in Hamburg Missingsch, unlike both SG and LS, I would say <i>Der
is tot gegangen</i> ("that one has gone dead," a somewhat
childish-sounding equivalent of <i>Der is gestorben</i>). (The closest LS equivalent of this seems to be <i>De is mit Dood afgahn</i> "<i>He</i> has gone off with Death".)<br>
<br>
Has any of you ever encountered the Missingsch phrase <i>tot bleiben</i>? If
so, what variety is it?<br>
<br>
Thanks and regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron</span></span></p>
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