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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L Grammar Re: LL-L "Idiomatica"
2008.08.31 (02) [E]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">> From:
Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc. <<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be" target="_blank">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>><br>
> Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.08.30 (02) [E/LS]><br>
> "Blijven" is one of the verbs forming a participle without ge-
suffix.<br>
<br>
About the <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">ge- prefix for the participle</span></strong>,
distinguishing Lox Saxon from Low-Franconian (and German) I found this article:<br>
T. van de Wijngaard<br>
<strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">Blève, kómme, krèje, vóngen woeëde i
kaat braat</span></strong><b><br>
<strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">Het voltooid deelwoord van zes
werkwoorden met perfectieve betekenis in de Limburgse dialecten.</span></strong></b><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Jaarboek van de Vereniging voor Limburgse Dialect- en Naamkunde, 1999, p.
79-90</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">(Title translated into Dutch:<br>
Gebleven, gekomen, gekregen, gevonden, geworden in kaart gebracht)</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I scanned
and leave for a couple of days on these urls (copyrights may apply):</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/79.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/79.jpg</a> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/80.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/80.jpg</a> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/81.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/81.jpg</a> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/82.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/82.jpg</a> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/83.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/83.jpg</a> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/84.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/84.jpg</a> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/85.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/85.jpg</a> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/86.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/86.jpg</a> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/87.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/87.jpg</a> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/88.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/88.jpg</a> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/89.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/89.jpg</a> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/90.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/temp/del/90.jpg</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">The autor
unfortunately limits his analysis to the Netherlands Limburg and thinks in
East-West terms while the map on p 86 clearly reveals a North-South phenomenon.
The forms <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">without ge-</span></strong>
are very much alive in the South of Belgian Limburg.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">In my
Lonerland Limburgish from Vliermaal:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Hië és dowd
<strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">bleve</span></strong></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">He died
(and is still dead)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Hië es
giestere tos <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">kome</span></strong></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">He came
home yesterday (and is probably still at home)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Ich höp de
grip <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">krege</span></strong></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I got the
flu (and still have it)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Ich höp dië boek treuch <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">vonne</span></strong></span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I found
that book again (and probably still have it)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Hië es
professor <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">wjonne</span></strong></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">He became a
professor (and he probably still is)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">but for
"brengen" I would rather use the ge-prefix;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Wa hee (= het dzjië) mèt(<strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">ge)</span></strong>braach</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">What did
you bring with you?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Roger<br>
<br>
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<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span></span><span class="ldacoc"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="IT"><<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="IT"><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">Re: LL-L Grammar ADDENDUM Re: LL-L
"Idiomatica" 2008.08.31 (02) [E]</span></span><span style="" lang="IT"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I have been
thinking about this one:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">> From:
Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc. <br>
> To: <a href="mailto:lowlands.list@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">lowlands.list@GMAIL.COM</a>
<br>
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:10 PM<br>
> Subject: LL-L Grammar Re: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.08.31 (02) [E]<br>
> but for "brengen" I would rather use the ge-prefix;<br>
> Wa hee (= het dzjië) mèt(ge)braach<br>
> What did you bring with you</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I would use:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Waa het er
mèt<strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">braach</span></strong>?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">What did he
bring (with him)?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Ich höp ene
boek mèt<strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">gebraach</span></strong></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I brought a
book (with me).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">In the
first case the <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">outcome of the action is
not clear yet.</span></strong></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I guess in
my previous example with the <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">2d person</span></strong>
the outcome will be <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">directly
clarified</span></strong>, hence my hesitation.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Roger</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">From: R. F.
Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Grammar<br>
<br>
Thanks a lot, Roger!<br>
<br>
This is very interesting in a peculiar sort of way, much like the two types of
infinitives in Frisian.<br>
<br>
Regards.<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br style="">
<br style="">
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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