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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Henno Brandsma</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl">hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Grammar" 2008.09.02 (01) [E]</span><br style="">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="PT-BR">From: </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="PT-BR">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="PT-BR"> <</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="PT-BR">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="PT-BR">><br>
Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2008.09.01 (05) [E]</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">from <a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Henno wrote:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">and in
"oan it...." constructions (these can be seen as nominalisations, at
some level):</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">- Hy is oan it
rinnen (he is walking (right now)).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Dear Henno</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Thank you so
much for that ( very clear) explanation. I now have a 2nd question!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">re the above
extract " ..oan it .." does this have an analysis /
origin / as clear an explanation, please?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">This is a
common construction in Dutch, Frisian and Low Saxon (at least the varieties
that I'm aware of):</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">"Hij is aan het lopen" (Dutch), Hie is an't
lopen (Low Saxon) etc. I found it in Afrikaans as well (note that die = de/het
in Dutch, a common article): H<em><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal;">y is aan die</span></em> voorberei vir 'n optrede (Dutch: hij is
aan het voorbereiden voor een optreden, He is preparing for a show).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I believe
German has "ins" (in das), instead of "*ans": ins Gehen,
which to me sounds like a similar construct. The capitalisation also shows that
in German it is considered a type of nominal use of the verb. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Henno</span></p>
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From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Grammar<br>
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I suspect the earlier Low Saxon construction is like that in Frisian: with <i>an</i>
(cognate of "on") and <i>it</i> (cognate of "it" but here
as neuter article) or <i>dat</i> (cognate of "that" but here as
neuter article), usually contracted to <i>an't</i>. So the following word is a
verbal noun:<br>
<br>
<i>Hey is an't rönnen,<br>
(He is an't Rönnen.</i>)<br>
He is (in the process of) running.<br>
<br>
<i>Sey is an't eten-maken.</i><br>
(<i>Se is an't Ätenmaken.</i>)<br>
She is busy preparing a meal.<br>
<br>
<i>Ik was jüst an't breyven-schryven as hey an-klop.</i><br>
(<i>Ik was jüst an't Brevenschrieven, as he anklopp.</i>)<br>
I was just in the middle of writing letters when he knocked.<br>
<br>
Nowadays (or earlier already), many dialects use [<i>by tou </i>{infinitive}]
("by to"), usually if their is no subject:<br>
<br>
<i>Hey is by tou rönnen.<br>
(He is bi to rönnen.</i>)<br>
He is (in the process of) running.<br>
<br>
I guess that's like in German:<br>
<br>
<i>Er war dabei zu rennen.<br>
<br>
</i>It's strange though, because it seems to be restricted to actual processes.<br>
<br>
In Northern German, especially in Missingsch, all of the above are possible:<br>
<br>
<i>Er ist am Rennen</i><br>
He is (in the process of) running.<br>
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</span><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Sie ist am Essenmachen.</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"><br>
She is busy preparing a meal.<br>
<br>
<i>Ich war grade am Briefeschreiben, als er anklopfte.</i><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I was just in the
middle of writing letters when he knocked.<br>
<br>
More standard:<br>
<br>
<i>Er ist dabei zu rennen</i><br>
He is (in the process of) running.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">(More natural probably: <i>Er rennt gerade.</i>)<br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">
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</span><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Sie ist dabei Essen vorzubereiten.</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"><br>
She is busy preparing a meal.<br>
<br>
<i>Ich war gerade dabei Briefe zu schreiben, als er anklopfte.</i><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I was just in the
middle of writing letters when he knocked.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron</span></p>
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