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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe">
</span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Language varieties" 2008.09.07 (04)
[E]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">From: Elsie Zinsser <<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za" target="_blank">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2008.09.06 (05) [E]</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 30pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Hi all, </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 30pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Arthur,
we do not refer to a Hoë or a Lae Afrikaans. However the teaching variety is
referred to as 'Standaard Afrikaans' to distinguish it from
"Streekstaal" varieties or dialectical variations. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 30pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Elsie Zinsser </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt 30pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">----------</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">From: Mark
Dreyer <<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net" target="_blank">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2008.09.07 (02) [E]</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Speaking for Afrikaans, in the early seventies.......a good deal
more English was used in urbanised Afrikaans conversations, This didn't annoy
because it wasn't used casually or thoughtlessly, but deliberately, for effect,
but they did. Us rural types seldom made so free, & it seemed to me to be
out of respect for the language (English as well as Afrikaans) the townies
didn't share. </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Yrs, </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Mark </span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Hi Elsie, </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">I seem to recall the term "high" being used by some people
to distinguish the type of Dutch used in some versions of the Bible -
"High Dutch". </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Mark,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">The 70s happen to coincide
with my time in SA (early 75 - end of 79). It was commonly held that in
places like Danville (Pretoria) and some Jo'burg southern suburbs,
the language was a sort of "Englikaans", though I never heard any
convincing evidence myself. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">However I remember working
in East London where little Afrikaans was spoken ("You live in Pretoria? how do
understand them Afrikaners?"). Yet their English was punctuated with
Afrikaans expressions - "jy weet?", "nee, man" and most
sentences ended with "ek se" (can't do the circumflex accent). </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Paul Finlow-Bates </span></p>
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