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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">E Zinsser</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.09.15 (04) [E]</span><br>
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Hi all, <br>
<br>
Of course it is possible that I misunderstood Jorge and the focus of the
question was 'Is this a typical saying in Afrikaans?' rather than, 'Is it
possible to say this sentence in Afrikaans?"<br>
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</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Mark, ek sou sê: "Die honde blaf asof hulle betaal word!" <br>
<br>
Groete,<br>
Elsie Zinsser<br>
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<b>To:</b> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="mailto:LOWLANDS-L@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="NL">LOWLANDS-L@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">; <br>
<b>Subject:</b>LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.09.15 (04) [E] </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" lang="NL">From: Elsie Zinsser <</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="NL">ezinsser@icon.co.za</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" lang="NL">><br>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.09.15 (02) [D/E]</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Hi all,</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Jaqueline, it is not used in Afrikaans but can be said, hence me
referring to the sentence as being nonsensical.</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Elsie</span></p>
<p style="margin: 5pt 0in 12pt 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">----------<br>
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From: Mark Dreyer <</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" lang="DE"><a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="EN-US">mrdreyer@lantic.net</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">><br>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.09.15 (01) [E]</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Hi All:</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Subject:LL-L "Idiomatica"</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> As Elsie says:<br>
Yes, Jorge, you can say this in Afrikaans: 'Die honde blaf hulle koppe af' <br>
although it is nonsensical.</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Metaphor is likely the most idiosyncretic feature of a language,
carrying a heavy burden ofcultural values. One cannot assume that because it
sounds right in English itis meaningful in another language. It might even be
offensive. For example,when we read in the Bible that Jesus says, "I
will make you fishersof men." the translators might have blindly
translated the sentence moreaccurately as, "I will teach you to
take lives."</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> If I wantedto carry the idea accross rather than to try to
translate the exact phrase Iwould say, "Die honde blaf dat dit
bars!" - the dogs barkso that it bursts?!</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 30pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Yrs,</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Mark</span></p>
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