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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">rick denkers</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:info@d-denkers.speedlinq.nl">info@d-denkers.speedlinq.nl</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Traditions" 2008.10.14 (02) [E]</span><br>
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Beste Diederik,</span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Je hebt gelijk: Haloween wordt buiten
een beperkte groep om niet gevierd in Nederland. In het
Noorden al helemaal niet vanwege het feit dat we dan Sint Maarten vieren. In
essentie exact hetzelfde feest. Kinderen gaan zingend langs de deuren en
krijgen als beloning snoep. Dus ergens stammen Sint Maarten en Haloween van
hezelfde feest af. Hier in de Zuid-Oost hoek van Drenthe is het zelfs nog
altijd een feest wat zeer sterk leeft. Elk jaar komen er bij mij tientallen
kinderen aan de deur. Uiteraard gaan ook mijn kinderen 'langs de deuren'.</span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Tjeu,</span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Rick</span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Traditions" 2008.10.14 (02) [E]</span></span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">from Heather
Rendall <a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></span><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">re Hallowe'en</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">My childhood memories are
two</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">One: apple bobbing and
apple dangling and playing forfeits on the evening of Hallowe'en illuminated by
swedes ( not pumpkins) carved hollow containing lit candles</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Two: going to church with
the school the next morning to celebrate All Hallows / Saints Day</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I don't think the two ever
became related in my mind. They were just what one did.</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">My mother was our Girl
Guide Captain and would make a point of celebrating Hallowe'en with all the
activities above: not for their pagan connotations but just for the fun of
getting wet ( apple bobbing) or seeing people having problems ( apple dangling
- especially with the added delight of using toffeed apples rather than just
plain apples; watching people get themselves into a total sticky mess - such
fun!. She also told a ghoulish story to us Guides who were bindfolded and as
she recounted the tale, objects mentioned in the story were passed round the
Listening Circle e.g. a peeled grape was a witch's eye: a wet shoe lace was a
dead worm etc etc. We all knew what the objects were BUT not being able to see
what was about to be put into one's hand was always thrilling - and disturbing!</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">My sister-in-law also knows
this type of story-telling and has amused us with it at any family
gathering not just Hallowe'en.</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Heather</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
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From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>>
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Subject: Traditions<br>
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Dear Rick, I think you are right in saying that Martinmas and Halloween have
been linked along the way, though I would not say they were derived from the
same holiday. I would say they came to be fused. This seems to apply to the
case of much of Northern Germany as well. In
addition Michaelmas (with its autumn lantern tradtion) came to be integrated
into this. In parts of Northern Germany, such as the Lower Elbe region, the
tradition of children going door to door -- Dutch <i>langs de deuren</i>, Low
Saxon <i>langs dey doeren</i> (<i>langs de D</i></span><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">œrn</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">, literally "along the
doors") -- for treats, which is also a feature of Martinmas, came to be
shifted to New Year's Eve (Low Saxon <i>Oldjahrsavend</i>, literally "Old
Year's Eve"). This is when <i>Rummelpottlopen</i> or <i>Rummelpottgahn</i>
used to be practiced. The friction drum called <i>Rummelpott</i> (lit.
"rumble pot", known in the Netherlands as <i>rommelpot</i>, in
the eastern provinces as <i>foekepot</i>), is no longer played these days, but
the custom retains its name. What's more, during their door-to-door visits,
children are dressed up and sing or recite verses (as they (used to) do on
Martinmas). I suppose there is a link with mumming there, which seems to be
derived from pre-Christian traditions of driving out evil spirits to make room
for a fresh start in the new year when the sun returns. In its supposedly least
adulterated form, this can be observed in parts of Alemanic-speaking Alpine
areas where men dressed up as trolls "cleanse" villages with loud
music, stomping and yelling (something very much reminiscent of
Kayapo, Ya̧nomamö </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">and other indigenous Amazonian traditions). Most
probably the origin of the Scandinavian Christmas tradition of people
holding hands and dancing (stomping) and singing throughout their homes is
related to this apparently global spiritual cleansing tradition as well.<br>
<br>
Thanks for that nice summary of Halloween memories of an English woman,
Heather. It mentions most of what I've known of traditional English Halloween,
traditional in fairly recent times.<br>
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This would make a lovely vignette for our Traditions series
(<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/traditions/">http://lowlands-l.net/traditions/</a>). If you don't want to publish it yourself,
perhaps we could make it more anonymous as a third-person summary (which I
could do, unless someone else volunteered). Please think about it.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
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