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From: LUCAS ANNEAR <<a href="mailto:annear@wisc.edu">annear@wisc.edu</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.10.20 (09) [E]<br>
<br>
Ron,<br>
<br>
Is it the case then that English just tends to put a (intrusive) homorganic
(voiced) stop after a nasal, and before the frequentive 'l'? Like
'crumb', 'crumble' (the 'b' only being in the noun by analogy)? I guess I
just noticed that.<br>
<br>
-Luke<br>
<br>
> From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Etymology<br>
><br>
> Yeah, I thought that was an impressive bit of etymological intuition<br>
> on the<br>
> part of Ze Hezza.<br>
><br>
> I believe we are once again dealing with the old frequentive -l, and<br>
> we are<br>
> also dealing with an intrusive -d-. Theoretically:<br>
><br>
> *dw**īne**<br>
> > *dwīn (shwa elesion)<br>
> > dwīn-l (frequentive suffixing)<br>
> > dwīn-d-l (d-intrusion)<br>
> > dwin-l (vowel shortening)<br>
> > *dwindle*<br>
><br>
> Other cases of (Old-Danish-inspired?) intrusive d:<br>
><br>
> brindle < bren 'brown color'<br>
> spindle < spin<br>
><br>
> I'm happy to know LL-L has been useful to you, Luke. You're certainly<br>
> very<br>
> welcome. Feel free to ask me and others for LS or other cognates anytime.<br>
><br>
> Oh, no! We got ourselves another member of the Luc ~ Luke clan!<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Reinhard/Ron<br>
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From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Etymology<br>
<br>
I think you're right, Luke. If we really tried to we could probably come up
with a list of examples.</span></p>
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Take for instance <b>tumble</b>, a frequentive derivative of Old English <i>tumb-</i>
(<i>tumbian</i>) 'to dance about'; related to German <i>tumelen</i> > <i>taumeln</i>
'to reel', <i>tummeln</i> 'to mill about', Dutch <i>tuimelen</i> 'to tumble',
Low Saxon <i>tummeln</i> ~ <i>tümmeln</i> 'to mill about'. Since German has both a short and
a long variant and Dutch has one with a long vowel (u > ui), I believe that there
was no <i>b</i> there to begin with.<br>
<br>
As an aside, what I find interesting about this particular group is that German
has a <i>t-</i> here rather than the expected <i>z-</i> (ts-), which leads me to
wonder if in German we are dealing with a very early loan from Saxon or from Early
Low or Middle Franconian -- i.e. a loan that entered the language <i>after</i> affricatization
(p > pf, t > ts, k > kx > x).<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron</span></p>
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