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L O W L A N D S - L - 22 October 2008 - Volume 05<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><br>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">David B. Frank</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:davidbfrank@gmail.com">davidbfrank@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Language learning" 2008.10.22 (04)
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Simple question: In which language group (e.g. Low Saxon, Dutch, etc) do
you all consider Gronings to belong?<br>
<br>
Groeten,<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">David</span><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"> B. Frank<br>
Bearwallow Gap<br>
Bedford County<br>
Virginia</span><br>
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From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Language varieties<br>
<br>
Hey, David!<br>
<br>
Let me get the ball rolling by giving you my "simple" answer.<br>
<br>
There ought to be no doubt that the indigenous varieties of Groningen (and in some neighboring areas)
belong to Low Saxon.<br>
<br>
More specifically, I consider them a subgroup of Northern Low Saxon, one of the
two major far-western ones that have significant Frisian substrata, the other
group being that of Eastern Friesland on the
German side of the border. (These areas used to be Frisian speaking.)<br>
<br>
I find the Groningen dialects easiest to
understand among the Low Saxon dialects of the Netherlands. It is only the
Dutch-based spelling that creates a barrier for most other speakers of Northern
Low Saxon in Germany.
<br>
<br>
Please take a look at Eltje Doddema's translation of our Wren story in a Groningen dialect:<br>
<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/grunnegers.php">http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/grunnegers.php</a><br>
<br>
Then please click on the link [German spelling]. Most speakers on the German
side would understand it pretty well if they encountered it written that way.
You might also check out translations of other Low Saxon varieties. <br>(Index:
<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/contents.php">http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/contents.php</a>)<br>
<br>
You will notice that, unlike most other Low Saxon dialects of the Netherlands, most Groningen dialectshave preserved the second
person familiar pronoun <i>doe</i> (<i>du</i>) "thou" that is the
norm on the German side of the border.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron</span></p>
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