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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Kevin & Cheryl Caldwell </span></span></span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:kevin.caldwell1963@verizon.net">kevin.caldwell1963@verizon.net</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.11.01 (06) [D/E]</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Could the
first one be connected with English "haze, hazy"? Could the second one be
connected with English "hoary"? And where does English "gray/grey" fit
in?</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Kevin
Caldwell</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
Subject: Etymology<br>
<br>
Petrus <i>et al.</i>,<br>
<br>
I go along with what Arend says above. However ...<br>
<br>
According to my sources:</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">"hare", <i>haas</i>,
etc. < Indo-European *<i>k</i></span><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma;">̂</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">asen-</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> ~ *<i>k</i></span><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma;">̂</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">aso-</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> 'gray'<br>
cf. Old English <i>hasu</i> 'grayish broun'</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">cf. Old German <i>hasan</i>
'gray', 'lustrous'</span></p>
<div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">cf. Old Prussian <i>sasnîs</i> 'hare'</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
cf. Sanskrit </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Mangal; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" lang="HI">शशाः</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" lang="HI"> </span><i style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">śaśā-ḥ</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> 'hare'</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
So, "hare" meaning "gray one" goes way back.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
Dutch <i>heer</i>, German <i>Herr</i> 'lord', 'master' are derived from the
following:</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<i>hehr</i> < Old German <i>hēr</i> 'senior', 'superior', 'august',
'sublime', etc.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
cf. Old English <i>hár</i> 'gray'</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
cf. Old Norse <i>hárr</i> 'gray'</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
< Germanic *<i>haira-</i>'gray'</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
cf. Russian <i>серый</i> (<i>seryj</i>) 'gray'</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
cf. Polish <i>szary </i>'gray'</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
cf. Lithuanian <i>širmas</i>, <i>širvas</i> 'dapple-gray'</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
Old Prussian <i>sîwan </i>'gray'</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
So, it was a gray-haired man that was a senior, and elder, and this Germanic
word was the equivalent of Latin <i>senior</i>.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
Regards,</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
Reinhard/Ron</span><br style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">From: R. F.
Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>>
<br>
Subject: Etymology<br>
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Kevin,<br>
<br>
You may well be right on both counts.<br>
<br>
You definitely are with regard to "hoar", which comes from Old English <i>har</i>
'gray', 'venerable', 'senior', thus the equivalent of Dutch <i>heer</i> and German
<i>Herr</i>. "Hoar-frost" is a derivation alluding to the color.<br>
<br>
As for "haze" and "hazy", the jury is still out. Many do connect them with words
for "hare". The problem is that they are attested very late: <i>hawsey</i> (>
hazy) in 1625 as a nautical term, "haze" in 1706, most likely as a back formation.
You might say that "grayness" and "haze" go together semantically. However, there's
a complicating factor in what may be a case of folk etymology in folk traditions
(<i>Online Etymological Dictionary</i>):<br>
<br></span></p><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">
Some connect it with Ger. <span class="foreign">hase</span> "hare," an
animal which plays an important part in Gmc. folklore, with many supernatural
and unlucky aspects in medieval times (among the superstitions: a dead hare
should not be brought aboard a fishing ship, and the word <span class="foreign">hare</span>
should not be spoken at sea). Another suggestion is O.E. <span class="foreign">hasu,
haswe</span> "gray."</span><br><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">
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Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);"><a href="mailto:ppvaneeden@ziggo.nl">ppvaneeden@ziggo.nl</a></span></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.11.01 (06) [D/E]</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="NL">Ron,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="NL">Baie dankie vir jou antwoord. Dit bevestig 'n vermoede
wat ek gehad het. Die woord <i>heer </i>het 'n verhewe betekenis. Hierdie woord
kom in talle Nederlandse plekname voor soos Heerlen, Heerenveen, ens. Die woord
<i>heer </i>is vandag self die aanspreektitel van die Christelike God. Die <i>haas</i>
as vrugbaarheidssimbool in die Germaanse mitologie het vroeër ook 'n verhewe
betekenis geken.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hartelijke
groete,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Petrus van
Eeden</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br style="">
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