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L O W L A N D S - L - 04 November 2008 - Volume 01<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><br>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Marcus Buck</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.11.03 (05) [E]</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<mailto:</span><a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">>></span></span></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Subject: Etymology</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
Hey, Marcus!</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
It has long been my assumption that /eisch/ 'naughty', 'misbehaved' (in Low
Saxon and Missingsch, also in other Northern German dialects) comes from the
interjection /ei!/, an old-time expression of dismay or exasperation. (You
still find it in 19th-century literature.) In other words, I believe we are
dealing with an originally child language word: /ei/+/(i)sch/ with the
adjectival/adverbial (originally approximative) suffix that is related to
English "-ish".</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
Regards,</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
Reinhard/Ron</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><<a href="http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2002/06/25/39645.html" target="_blank">http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2002/06/25/39645.html</a>>
connects "eisch" to Middle Low Saxon "eislîk" (<<a href="http://drw-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/drw-cgi/zeige?db=dig&darstellung=v&index=buecher&term=Schiller-Luebben+I&seite=g646-647" target="_blank">http://drw-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/drw-cgi/zeige?db=dig&darstellung=v&index=buecher&term=Schiller-Luebben+I&seite=g646-647</a>>).
And "eislîk" is connected to Dutch "ijselijk": <<a href="http://books.google.de/books?id=mJc3AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=nederlands+etymologisch&client=firefox-a#PPA278,M1" target="_blank">http://books.google.de/books?id=mJc3AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=nederlands+etymologisch&client=firefox-a#PPA278,M1</a>>.
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Lorenz Diefenbach supports this: <</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://books.google.de/books?id=5ib5muoYMDIC&pg=PA2&dq=ijselijk" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="DE">http://books.google.de/books?id=5ib5muoYMDIC&pg=PA2&dq=ijselijk</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">>.<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
Marcus Buck<br>
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</span>From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">E Zinsser</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.11.03 (03) [E]</span><br>
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Hi all<br>
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Jaa, Jonny, interessante Frage! <br>
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</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">If I look at the few
eis forms in Afrikaans it seems that <br>
there is some kind of steely activity at work.<br>
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terug eis - to claim back<br>
vereis - to be obliged <br>
ooreis - to exert oneself<br>
eise - claims (re. insurance and legal)<br>
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Elsie Zinsser<br>
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