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L O W L A N D S - L - 13 November 2008 - Volume 01<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><br>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mike
Wintzer</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:k9mw@yahoo.com">k9mw@yahoo.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Language politics" 2008.11.12 (01)
[A/D/E]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Moinmoin!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I liked the
fireworks of propositions and
counter-propositions, Luc and Ron, and I read
with pleasure. Only one sentence of yours
made my eyebrows rise, Luc, when you
suggested that codifying and officializing a language
is equivalent to raping it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I can see
your point, Luc, one loses a bit of
color, variation and variability.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">But would
you propose that the hundreds of
standardized languages that enjoy official
status, are the result of rape?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I would
agree in the sense that standardization and
officialization has diluted language diversity in
countries like France, Spain and Germany, even Sweden England, etc etc etc but it
seems to me that that is a different matter, one
of the standard dominating over </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">a
geographical area that is unduly vast</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Mike
Wintzer</span></p>
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From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><span class="yshortcuts"><span style="text-decoration: none;"><span id="lw_1226589204_2">sassisch@yahoo.com</span></span></span></a>><br>
Subject: Language politics<br>
<br>
Mike, Luc, <i>et al.</i>,<br>
<br>
If it weren't for the development of a (literary) standard variety, Frisian of
the Netherlands might now be in the situation that Frisian of Germany is in,
also Low Saxon of Germany. Sorbian activists in Germany understood this early on
when they developed two literary standards (because of the varietal spread), and Sorbian literature and studies
have been experiencing a mild boom since then. The same is happening now with
Rhaeto-Romance (<i>Rumantsch</i>) in Switzerland.
It is not necessarily a matter of instantly artificially creating and instating
a standard variety. Much rather it is a gradual process in which especially
writers and public speakers influence each other with their written dialects. This is also what
happened in the case of Neo-Norwegian (<i>Nynorsk</i>) in Norway, and it
is also what happened earlier on in the "big" languages.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Jonny</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Events"</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">Till death
does them part!</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Pastoor weigert tweetalige mis</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">BRUSSEL - Een Vlaamse pastoor in de faciliteitengemeente <br>
Sint-Genesius-Rode weigert een Franstalige inwoner te begraven omdat <br>
diens familie een tweetalige uitvaartdienst vraagt. De familie is <br>
verontwaardigd. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">'Het enige wat ik vraag, is een tweetalige uitvaartdienst
voor mijn <br>
vader. Is dat in een faciliteitengemeente te veel gevraagd? Ik weet dat <br>
er hier taalproblemen zijn, maar in de kerk zouden die toch niet mogen <br>
bestaan', zegt Guy Lejeune. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Vorige week woensdag overleed zijn vader. 'Omdat mijn moeder
Vlaamse is <br>
en mijn vader Franstalig was, wilde ik een kerkdienst in beide <br>
landstalen', zegt Lejeune. 'Ik belde daarvoor naar de pastoor van de <br>
parochie Sint-Barbara in Sint-Genesius-Rode, waar mijn ouders wonen. <br>
Maar hij liet me verstaan dat ik een andere parochie moest zoeken. Hij <br>
wilde geen enkele uitleg geven.' </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">'Ik wil geen olie op het vuur gooien en er een politieke
strijd van <br>
maken. De enige reden waarom ik een tweetalige misviering vraag, is <br>
omdat anders de helft van mijn familie niet zou begrijpen wat de pastoor <br>
zegt', aldus Lejeune. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">'Als morgen een Engelse of Chinese familie komt, moet ik
dan ook Engels <br>
of Chinees kunnen spreken', reageert parochiepastoor Jan Baert. <br>
'Sint-Barbara is nog altijd een Nederlandstalige parochie. Ik denk niet <br>
dat veel van mijn parochianen, die alleen Nederlands begrijpen, ermee <br>
gediend zouden zijn als ik een tweetalige misviering zou houden.' </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">'Ik wil na de begrafenis ook nog pastoor blijven en ik
moet de kerk in <br>
het midden houden, maar sommige mensen lijken alleen te willen verstaan <br>
wat in hun kraam past. Dat wijst op een fundamentele onvolwassenheid.' </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Lejeune moet zijn vader nu in de parochie van Sint-Paul
in Waterloo, <br>
vijf kilometer van Sint-Genesius-Rode, begraven. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">---------------------</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Bron:<br>
De Standaard, webeditie, 14 oktober 2008<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.standaard.be/" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="NL">http://www.standaard.be</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">---------------------<br>
**<br>
** 'Woord van de dag'<br>
** Een initiatief van de vakgroep Nederlands, FU Berlin<br>
** Abonnement nemen/opzeggen en archief op:<br>
** </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.niederlandistik.fu-berlin.de/woordvandedag/" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="NL">http://www.niederlandistik.fu-berlin.de/woordvandedag/</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">mvg</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">Jonny
Meibohm</span></span></p>
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