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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Elsie Zinsser</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:ezinsser@mhsc.org.za">ezinsser@mhsc.org.za</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Media " was "Language
Varieties" 2008.11.17 (01) [E]</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Hi all,<br>
<br>
Mark, I'm often wondering whether the language mental block relates
to someone being presumptuous or simply absent-minded. I believe it's
a bit of both. <br>
<br>
But you're asking about Afrikaans newspapers and the short answer is,
yes. <br>
<br>
Perskor (<a href="http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perskor#Koerante" target="_blank">http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perskor#Koerante</a>)
published a few Afrikaans newspapers (Transvaler etc), until the late '80s but
had to compete with the less conservative Nasionale
Pers which was founded in 1915). Perskor still publishes a few
Afrikaans mags including Rooi Rose and Keur. <br>
<br>
The biggest Afrikaans publisher and media owner is the Naspers/ MHI
Group, a multinational listed company (Naspers is short
for 'Nasionale Pers') who publishes the major Afrikaans
newspapers under Media 24 (Media24.com or for online news:
News24), including Beeld, Burger, Rapport, and Volksblad. They have
publishing and internet businesses in Eastern Europe,
Thailand, Brazil, China,
Russia and the Netherlands.
<br>
Naspers also publishes the most popular Afrikaans mags here
including Huisgenoot, Baba & Kleuter, Sarie, and the specialized mags,
Insig, Weg!, Visi, Landbouweekblad, as well as a host of
English language mags, including Drum, You (based on the very popular
Huisgenoot) and many others. See: <a href="http://www.naspers.comc/" target="_blank">http://www.naspers.com</a> (Operations) or read the
fine article in Wikipedia <a href="http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naspers" target="_blank">http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naspers</a><br>
<br>
Also see:<br>
<a href="http://www.marketingweb.co.za/marketingweb/view/marketingweb/en/page72308?oid=83525&sn=Marketingweb+detail" target="_blank">http://www.marketingweb.co.za/marketingweb/view/marketingweb/en/page72308?oid=83525&sn=Marketingweb+detail</a> <br>
<br>
Afrikaans is a big seller yet we seldom see Afrikaans ads on public
television and just now and again on commercial Afrikaans TV! <br>
<br>
Cheerio, </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Elsie
Zinsser</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">From:
Brooks, Mark <<a href="mailto:mark.brooks@twc.state.tx.us" target="_blank">mark.brooks@twc.state.tx.us</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2008.11.15 (06)[E]</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Elsie wrote: People have
language mental blocks. They think you are "English" and hence
don'tregister your Afrikaans. They see you are 'White' and don't register
your Zulu greeting. </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Hi Elsie:</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I would like to confirm
what you say, not with respect to Afrikaans or other South African
languages,but with respect to Spanish and English. Whenever I've traveled
in Mexico, most people see
me as "American" (USA)
and seemnot to even hear that I have asked them a question in Spanish.
Theyseemingly automatically answer me in English. Now, if they don't know
anyEnglish, they don't seem to have that "problem." </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Likewise, when I traveled
in the Netherlands
many, many years ago (1970), I could merely walk into a store and they would
speak to me in English. Some credit that to "Americans" acting
like weown the world, but really, how could I have given myself away
thateasily? Clothes? I don't think so, everyone back then went
aroundwith dirty hair and dirty jeans ;-). Even when I tried to talk my
haltingDutch, they stuck with English. My halting Dutch may have given
them evenmore reason to stick with English, huh?</span></p>
<div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">BTW, this
weekend I checked the Internet at home to find sources of the news in Afrikaans
that I could practice reading. I read Dutch pretty well and I find the
posts here on the list in Afrikaans fairly easy to read as well. I found
several online newspapers, but they all seem to have the same owner.
Every one had thesame URL <a href="http://www.news24.com/" target="_blank">www.news24.com</a> with
the individual paper after the slash. Does just one media company own all
of the Afrikaans language newspapers?</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
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