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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Kevin & Cheryl Caldwell</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:kevin.caldwell1963@verizon.net">kevin.caldwell1963@verizon.net</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.01 (03) [E]</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Among
musicians, apparently "to rag" a piece of music, or make it "ragged", is to
syncopate a standard melody (i.e., move it off the beat). So "ragtime"
was so called because it has a ragged melody.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a href="http://cnx.org/content/m10878/latest/" target="_blank">http://cnx.org/content/m10878/latest/</a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Kevin
Caldwell</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);"><a href="mailto:ppvaneeden@ziggo.nl">ppvaneeden@ziggo.nl</a></span></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.11.30 (01) [E]</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN">Good day!</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN">More about this important giant (perhaps a God) Surtr. Our Dutch word z<i>wart</i>
(black) is related to Surtr. It is also interesting to note that the words <i>sword</i>
and <i>swear</i> can both be linked to the PIE <i>*swer-.</i> Perhaps they are
also related to Surtr. In ancient times the <i>sword</i> played a very
important role in the oath swearing ceremonies. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="EN">Sword:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="EN">O.E. sweord, from P.Gmc. *swerdan (cf. O.S., O.Fris.
swerd, O.N. sverð, Swed. svärd, M.Du. swaert, Du. zwaard, O.H.G. swert, Ger.
Schwert), related to O.H.G. sweran "to hurt," from *swertha-, lit.
"the cutting weapon," from PIE base *swer- "to cut."</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="EN">Swear:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="EN">O.E. swerian "take an oath" from P.Gmc.
*swarjanan, from root *swar- (cf. O.S. swerian, O.N. sverja, Dan. sverge,
O.Fris. swera, M.Du. swaren, O.H.G. swerien, Ger. schwören, Goth. swaren
"to swear"), from PIE base *swer- "to speak, say" (cf.
O.C.S. svara "quarrel").</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="EN">But Saterday (from Sæternes or Sætern or Saturn) is then
also related to Surtr!</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="EN">Surtr is a very old giant (perhaps a God). He exited
before the creation of the other giants and Gods. Surtr is an important figure
during the Ragnarok. He will destroy the earth with fire. All the giants will
be destroyed by the Gods during the Ragnarok except for this giant Surtr.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Regards,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Petrus van Eeden</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Van:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="mailto:ppvaneeden@ziggo.nl" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="NL">ppvaneeden@ziggo.nl</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">
[mailto:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="mailto:ppvaneeden@ziggo.nl" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="NL">ppvaneeden@ziggo.nl</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">] <br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> 30 November 2008 05:56 PM<br>
<b>Aan:</b> '</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="mailto:lowlands.list@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="NL">lowlands.list@GMAIL.COM</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">'; '</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="mailto:LOWLANDS-L@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="NL">LOWLANDS-L@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">'<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> RE: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.11.30 (01) [E]</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="NL">Goeie dag,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="NL">Heel interessant oor die woord <i>Reus</i>! In my
Etymologisch woordeboek van het Nederlands staan dat die woord <i>reus</i>
moontlik verwant is aan die Latynse <i>verrūca</i> (hoogte) en Sanskrit <i>vársman</i>
(hoogte) en Indo-europees <i>*uer-</i> (verhoogde plek).</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="NL">Groete,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="NL">Petrus van Eeden</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.01 (04) [E]</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">from Heather Rendall</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">re rag paper</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Whoops! My mistake and
apologies to all those connected with the paper trade. I suppose I was thinking
about the paper that was used in old 50s comics and other cheap books /
magazines in which you could almost see pressed threads.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">What would this have been
made out of?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Sorry not really a Forum
problem! But I'm interested.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Heather</span></p>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Arend Victorie</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:victorie.a@home.nl">victorie.a@home.nl</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.01 (02) [E]</span>
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Moi Heather en Reinhard.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Betreft "Rag/Raggen"</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Wij hebben in het Nederlands Bargoens het woord "Ragschore" = Ondeugelijke
waar (markttaal) Rag is wellicht <Hebr. <i>reiag, roeach></i> wind, geur,
of in een ongunstige betekenis: <i>stank.</i></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Mogelijk echter ook < het germ. Woord voor los weefsel dat in Algemeen
Beschaafd Nederlands <i>spinrag, ragebol</i>, ect. voorkomt.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" lang="NL">Arend Victorie</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> <br></span></p>