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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Diederik Masure</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:didimasure@hotmail.com">didimasure@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.06 (01) [E]</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Joachim: I cant
find any word *os((e)n) meaning hill, etc in Old Norse, but of course that
doesnt mean it doesnt exist</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Diederik</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Diederik Masure</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:didimasure@hotmail.com">didimasure@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.06 (01) [E]</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Joachim: quick
update, I suddenly realised I was stupid and forgot about the modern Norewgian
word ås meaning something like hill, of which the Old Norse ancestor has to be
found under the letter a: </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">âs-s </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">(3),
an., st. M. (a): nhd. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="DE">Bergrücken; E.: germ. *amsa-, *amsaz,
st. M. (a),</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Schulter, Rücken (M.); idg. *omesos, *omsos, M., Schulter, Pokorny 778; L.:
Vr</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">16b</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Hope that helps</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Diederik</span></p>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Wolfram Antepohl</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:wolfram@antepohl.se">wolfram@antepohl.se</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.06 (01) [E]</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Dear Joachim!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">To start
with, let me thank you for currently being my most reliable input concerning
westphalian platt. In my Swedish "exile" it is not an easy task to
learn Westphalian (which I never learned to speak while still living in my home
town of Lüdenscheid
in the Sauerland). Thanks to you and various sources on the net I may still one
day dare to write a few lines.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Concerning
old Norse (and modern Scandinavian) however, the Swedish exile is definitely
helpful. And yes: Old Norse "os/as" definitely means "hill/mountain"
and the term is still used in the modern scandinavian languages. The Swedish
word is "Ås". The term indicates a hill or mountain with vegetation
even on the top - in contrast to "fjäll" which is above the tree
border (i.e. a rocky or even icy top). Hence, "os" ought to be
adequate for the "Teutoburger Wald".
"A/aa/å" is even today the Scandinavian word for "river"
and is a very common element of settlement names. I think we mentioned the
"os" element in some British settleement names before (in the
"danelag" area).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I am
wondering though, if "os" and "a" appear in any other Low
Saxon settlement names?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Greetings</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Wolfram</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mark Dreyer</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.06 (01) [E]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Dear
Reinhard:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> <br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology"<br>
<br>
You say:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">My
legal first name Reinhard tends to be seen as derived from <i>Reginhard</i> or <i>Raginhard</i>
and tends to be explained as meaning 'strong counselor'. The second part is the
ancestor of "hard" and in early times meant 'strong', 'courageous'
and the like. <br>
<br>
It is about the first part (which you find in the name <i>Reginwald</i> >
Reginald as well) that I am still wondering:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Old
English:<i>regnian</i> to put in order, to prepare</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Old
Saxon: (*<i>ragan</i> >?) <i>regin</i> fate, decision, order, decree</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Old
German: <i>regin</i> fate, decision, order, decree</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Old
Norse: <i>regin</i> gods, council</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Gothic:
<i>ragin</i> determination, council, <i>ragineis</i> prescriptor, counselor, <i>raginón</i>
to rule</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Germanic:
*<i>ragina-</i> council, decision</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Indo-European:
*<i>rĕk-</i> ~ *<i>rēk-</i> ~ *<i>reĝ-</i> to order, to arrange...........</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Any
thoughts, ideas, suggestions, additions?</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Mark:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Please add
(for general deluctation) an alternative root 'Rein':</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Nederlands: <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">rein</span></em>
clean, pure, innocent (fig).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> &</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Hoogduits: <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">rein</span></em></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Middelnederlands: <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">reine</span></em>
/ <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">rëne</span></em></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Latyns: <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">cernere</span></em>
beslis, skei</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Grieks: <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">krinen</span></em>
beslis, sif, skei (laasgenoemde twee - algemene ouer betekenis),</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> verder verbind met <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">krisis</span></em>, <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">kritiek</span></em>, <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">kritikus</span></em>,
<em><span style="font-family: Arial;">kritiseer</span></em></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">(Old
Boshoff en Nienaber - Afrikaanse Etimologie)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Apart from
that; to go off on a limb, if (purely in fun, I insist) I may throw
discretion to the winds & <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">'folk
etymologise', extrapolating</span></em> <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">from</span></em></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Afrikaans: <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">lafhart</span></em> coward to</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> <em><span style="font-family: Arial;"> reinhart</span></em> pure-hearted</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">
I think I have you pinned down, Reinhart; heh, heh, heh.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Yrs,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Mark </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
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<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 96);">Jonny</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.06 (01) [E]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";">Beste
Reinhard,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";">you
wrote:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: teal;">My
legal first name Reinhard tends to be seen as derived from <i>Reginhard</i> or <i>Raginhard</i>
and tends to be explained as meaning 'strong counselor'. The second part is the
ancestor of "hard" and in early times meant 'strong', 'courageous'
and the like.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";">Why
not go the direct way and presume 'rein' in the same sense as it
still has today as 'pure', 'clean'?</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">In GRIMM I found:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">REIN</span></i></strong><em><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">, adj.
und adv.</span></em><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">I. Form und verwandtschaft. </span></em><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">a) das wort ist gemeingermanisch: goth. hrains,
ahd. hreini GRAFF 4, 1158, alts. hrêni, altfries. rêne, altn. hreinn.
altbezeugt ist das adj. doch wol auch in der berühmten glosse der lex salica
chrenecruda GRIMM rechtsalterth. 110. myth.4 534. KERN die glossen in der lex
salica 109. im ags. mangelt die entsprechung, hier hat schon früh clæne, engl.
clean, ahd. chleini, mhd. kleine das bedeutungsgebiet von rein an sich gezogen,
ein vorgang, der auch auf deutschem boden spurweise beobachtet wird (vgl. theil
5, 1088). aus dem skandinavischen ist schwed.-lappisch raines, purus,
norweg.-lappisch rainet, purgare entlehnt (THOMSEN einflusz der germ. sprachen
auf die finnisch-lappischen 164). dem mhd. reine, rein entspricht mnd. reine
und rein, mnl. reene, reen und reyne, reyn. das nhd. rein findet sich
gleichlautend im nnl. KRAMER nieder - hochd. wb. 1, 312a, neunord. ren. die
monophthongisierte form rên oder rêne ist in der norddeutschen volkssprache
allgemein verbreitet.</span></em><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";">Couldn't _<strong><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">Reinhard</span></strong>_ be 'the
pure-hearted' as well?</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";">Allerbest!</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Jonny Meibohm</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">From: R. F.
Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;">sassisch@yahoo.com</span></a>>
<br>
Subject: Etymology<br>
<br>
Thanks, Mark and Jonny.<br>
<br>
What you suggest is in fact the common folk etymology of the name. But apparently
- I assume on the basis of documentation - it is incorrect.<br><br>Apparently, <i>regin</i> is at the root of various names, including <i>Reginwald</i> > Reginald, Reinald, and <i>Reginhold</i> > Reinhold. It is also related to the Scandinavian name Ragne, as well as Ragnar which in German is Rainer ~ Reiner, Rainier in French (from <i>ragin+heri</i>).<br>
<br>I just found out that my name day was last Friday.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
<br>
"Pure/innocent heart" ... I wish!</span><br><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">
<br>
Regards, and happy second Advent,<br>
Reinhard/Ron</span></p>