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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">M.-L.
Lessing</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Idiomatica" 2009.01.03 (01) [D/E]</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">-----
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">From: Lowlands-L List </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">To:
<a href="mailto:LOWLANDS-L@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG">LOWLANDS-L@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</a> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Sent:
Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:21 PM</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="PT-BR">Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2009.01.03 (01)
[D/E]</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
From: Mark Dreyer
<<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.01.02 (05) [E]</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Beste Luc, Diederik &
All:</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Subject: LL-L
"Etymology"</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Luc: you
said:</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">But I'm anticipating a
little...given the approximately 2 000 M people on this world who are speaking
either English or German as a first or second language (who both use
"next" / "nächste" in this case), my "noste" (=
naaste, superlative of na(ar) - nader - naast) won't be entirely out of tune by
the time Dutch gets its ass whooped.</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Mark:</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Well, in the same place we
Afrikaners also say 'volgende', & logic argues for retention. Nowww, which
is nearest - to the present year: The year past or the year to come? Now yo</span>u
may argue context gives that information, which is true, but you <strong><span style="font-family: Arial; font-weight: normal;">need</span></strong> it. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I beg your pardon, this is
Tüdelkram. The noste, naaste, next, nächste etc. year is always the year to
follow. The year past is out of reach by the laws of physics, unless you are
able to surpass the speed of light. If I say today: "Next year I will do
this", I mean 2010. Basta. Even though 2010 is al long way and 2008 is
only just gone.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Much more amusing is the
northern german custom of saying "This tuesday we will have a
meeting" in contrast to "Next tuesday we will have a
meeting." (I think this has been discussed already here, hasn't it?)
Now what is "this" tuesday? It is in fact the next tuesday to come.
The nearest tuesday. In Hamburg
at least it is so. The people of this extraordinary town are some time ahead of
time, quite without the help of relativity and speed greater than that of
light. "Next tuesday" is the tuesday after. I have seen people
miss meetings on these grounds. A Hamburg
man said "Next tuesday", an Austrian man came -- this tuesday! It
would have been clearer simply to say "We will have a meeting on
tuesday." (This would mean *this* tuesday, of course.)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">The height of
confusion would be to say "this tuesday" on a tuesday in Hamburg! :-))</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Marlou</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>