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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Luc Hellinckx</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Idiomatica"</span><br>
<br>
Beste Marlou,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">You wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><span style="word-spacing: 0px;">yes, it seems the definition of the time span called
"this" is the crucial thing. I think the scots got it! -- But now I
am very curious as to the Turk thing about locations. What do they do with
their prepositions?! Can you tell me?</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">I was once
told that students with a Turkish background had greater difficulty grasping
3D-geometry and topology, because Turkish has no separate prepositions and
rather builds constructions at the back of words like suffixes.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">Whether
this alleged handicap was significant and substantial, I can't tell.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">Kind
greetings,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">Luc
Hellinckx</span></p>
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From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Grammar<br>
<br>
It is certainly true that Turkish, other Turkic languages and in fact all
Altaic languages, being of the agglutinating type, postpose elements that in
Germanic languages are prepositions. However, it is not true that Turkic
languages only use suffixes and enclitics as is often claimed. There are quite
a few "separate" words that have the function of our prepositions.
The only difference is they are postpositions rather than prepositions; in
other words they follow nouns rather than precede them. In most cases these are
actually nouns; e.g. Turkish <i>masanın altında</i> ("table+'s
place-below+its+at" </span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;"> = "in the space below the table"</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">) 'underneath the table'. But there are also
postpositions that may not be derived from nouns; e.g. Turkish <i>Allah aşkı
için</i> ("God love+his for") 'for God's sake'.<br>
<br>
I believe that the Uralic languages (e.g. Finnish and Hungarian), which are
also agglutinating, use a larger number of suffixes than do Altaic ones.<br>
<br>
I would be very surprised if the story about 3D-geometry and topology could be
backed up. I don't know if "Turkish" here means "Turkish of
Turkey" or "Turkic" in general. If it applies to Turkish and
there was a linguistic connection with this allegation, then speakers of all
Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic and Uralic languages as well as of Korean and
Japanese (which use postposed particles) should be found to share this problem.
I would be surprised to find that they do.<br>
<br>
<i>Tüdelkraam? Tüünkraam?</i><br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron</span></p>