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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe">
</span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Language programming" 2009.01.11
(09) [E]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Richard
Dawkins discusses this in "Unweaving the Rainbow", where he argues
that science, far for destroying the poetry of the world, makes it even more
remarkable. (The poet Keats accused Newton
of destroying the beauty of the rainbow by explaining it).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Paul<br>
<br>
----------<br>
<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 96);">Brooks, Mark</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:mark.brooks@twc.state.tx.us">mark.brooks@twc.state.tx.us</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Language programming" 2009.01.10
(01) [E]</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Jacqueline asked:
"Does this have anything to do with whether we say "zevenenvijftig"
or "fifty seven"?"</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Back in another life-time
of mine, I worked for AT&T (the telephone company) in the USA. The
story there went like this: Before AT&T went to direct dialing, they
did a study of customers and found that most people can remember things in
blocks of 3 or 4 numbers most easily. Therefore, we have the USA system of
three number area codes, three number exchanges, and four number individual
lines. I've noticed that other countries I've visited seem to stick with
pairs of numbers whenever they can, instead of the 3-3-4 pattern.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Now, keep in mind that the USA has Social
Security Numbers (a national old age insurance system) that come in 9 digits,
but the pattern goes 3-2-4. Most everyone here memorizes their Social
Security Number in that rhythmic way, saying 123, pause, 45, pause, 6789.
I don't know which came first – the Social Security Number or the telephone
number, but I'll bet one influenced the other when it came to establishing
patterns.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Mark Brooks</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">----------<br>
<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe">
</span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Language programming" 2009.01.10
(01) [E]</span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
Given that the entire world population can be expressed in just 10 digits, I
can't work out why we need a 16-digit anything!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Paul<br>
<br>
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<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Mark Dreyer</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Language programming" 2009.01.11
(02) [E]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Beste Luc,
Sandy, Marlou & All:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Subject:
LL-L "Language programming"</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">
This is a very important string. I cannot immediately motivate my thesis, but I
know I am not alone in my assurance that language 'programs' the Mind, to its
possessor's great advantage or otherwise. This is why the technical terminology
& jargon so fascinates me. Certainly, a culture that must deal with
peculiar local conditions & isolated personal circumstances develops
terminology applicable to their condition, without which a stranger is utterly
at a loss. I refer not only to the term itself but the concept it embraces
& its relationship to the study as a whole.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">
For a modern example, until Einstein developed the concept of a 'Local Frame of
Reference', Classical Newtonian Physics was at a loss to explain phenomena
already subject to observation.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Sandy</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">, you ultimately wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><span style="word-spacing: 0px;">> Re Bushmen, I was somewhat wrong, they happen to
count to four (not<br>
> three) and then say many. Maybe their system matches the five fingers<br>
> of one hand, with which they may want to sign those numbers...</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><span style="word-spacing: 0px;">And:</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Traditionally,
Bushmen are hunter-gatherers, so their language is probably still rooted in
that stage. Once agriculture took off, the notion of "property" must
have boomed, making new ideas necessary...</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Mark:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">The Bushmen
<strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">I</span></strong> know can certainly
count beyond three. Their system is decimal as I can understand. We all have
ten fingers, but their numeral terminology goes up to twenty. Well we have toes
also. Beyond that they go up in multiples of men under the same system. What I <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">can't</span></strong> understand is the development
in the Middle-East of numerology in base 12 & base sixty.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">It is wrong
to assume hunter-gatherers (at least on this continent) do not need to count
beyond three. Men were not initially alone at the top of the food-chain, &
the other major predators are also social. You <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">need</span></strong> to be able to count the number
of Lions or Hyenas or Cape Hunting Dogs in your locale, to know where they are,
& how many, & to transmit this information quickly & exactly to
your fellows in earshot & eyeshot (signing). Also, dividing &
sharing food & water, & remembering the division for subsequent
reference, demands a stable numeral system. You are a hunting-group of between
fifteen & thirty & you need to know, for example, if a given
water-source can support twenty in a day, or not, & to what extent it may
fall short.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Keep this
string on line, please!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Yrs,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Mark</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">BTW It may
be the elevation & the thin atmosphere of our Highveld, but not a few of
European stock with young eyes can see & are on record as having seen from
here the four moons of Jupeter with the unaided eye.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">PPS.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Does
Reinhard Hahn know of a certain Theophilus Hahn, a German, the sometime curator
of the Grey Collection, & a great philologist & anthropologist of the
KhoiKhoi & San?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
<span class="hccdpe">----------</span><br>
<br>
From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Language programming<br>
<br>
Mark,<br>
<br>
I certainly know <u>of</u> the missionary and linguist Theophilus Hahn.<br>
<br>
There are many Hahns all over the place, in Namibia also Carl Hugo Hahn. Why,
there are particularly many famous and infamous American Hahns, such as Dave Hahn,
David Hahn (several of them), Erwin Hahn, Hilary Hahn, James K. Hahn, Jessica
Hahn, Kimberly Hahn and Scott Hahn. And there is the
German-Jewish-Basque-Venezuelan-French composer Reynaldo Hahn (Marcel Proust's
lover). Not to mention all them German and Austrian Hahns, and the Dutch (de)
Haan's. However, outside my immediate family there is no blood relation with
any Hahn. Had my paternal grandfather not been adopted by a Holstein farmer called Hahn,
who knows what my surname would be now?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron</span></p>