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L O W L A N D S - L - 13 January 2009 - Volume 06<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><br>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mike Morgan</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:mwmosaka@gmail.com">mwmosaka@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Language programming" 2009.01.13
(04) [E]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Dumela!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">i had a bit
of a hard time (it iS 2:30 AM here) following "he said"/
"I said" in Mark's last LONG posting, but i THINK Mark said:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">The Great Missionary Moffat
who translated the Bible into Setswana reported he was repeatedly set back by conceptual
lacunae such as this. ... So you invent a word: Meaningless, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Yes,
indeed, meaningless. MY experience -- not with Setswana, cause I have none
(except a few qwords exchanged with a friendly taxi driver in Pretoria who
shared a taste in South African Jazz!), nor even Sepedi, where I do, but with
SIGN LANGUAGE Interpreters (in Japan anyway), and the whole group of people who
sit in commitee (also in japan) and decide how a word SHOULD be signed by
interpeters -- is that once the word is decided upon, independent of the
community of users (and often contrary to the way they already in fact DO sign
it!), and the Interpreters get "taught" (and what is a pastor but an
interpreter of the word?) and gets up on stage and goes to use it, the Deaf
audience sits there and nods their heads and smiles ... and leaves the lecture
with not an iota of an idea what the H*** that woman (in japan it was mostly,
but not invariably, a woman) was trying to say. USUALLY they come up
(collectively) with some "interpretation" ... just as usually fallign
far short of what they SHOULD have been let to understand. (We DO PAY these
people, intrpreters, after all ... or maybe not!)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">...
I suppose though, after all these years the Setswana finally
have figured out what the fella was yappin about ... Oh yeah, that thingy
that goes round and round .... and keeps gettin busted by the D*** potholes in
the dirt tracks out here!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
And I suppose once Moffat (PBUH) gave them the word for it, they just HAD to go
invent the wheel ... again!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">without
diligently teaching & demonstrating to enough teachers to carry the
concept accurately across to the rest. To this day a pastor in Setswana is
'Morutisi' - (teacher). </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> and
"translator" is, in the Italian pun anyway, a "traitor"!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">A man who cannot communicate
a need in his native language is seriously obstructed in any effort to
broadcast a solution. Cultural diffusion doesn't happen rapidly or smoothly, if
it happens at all.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Yes, having
been away from my native land for all these decades of years, and surrounded by
barbarians (bar-bar-bar-bar), I OFTEN find myself at a LOSS for what we call
this or that thing ... in English. Really only gets in the way though when
someone ASKS me (as Herr Professor, linguist) and I can't for the life of me
remember. Embarrassment, yes. Problems, nope. In fact, there are many a thing i
never even knew the name for way back when ... Yet, somehow i have managed. I
can still tell my wife (typing over google talk) how to get the VCR to record
from her camcorder, even if I haven't got a name for it. AND even if I DID
have a name for it, wouldn't help her any! ...</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">How much
cultural diffusion there is though, i can't say. Cause in two months I KNOW she
will ask me how to do it again ;-) STILL won't have name for it, but somehow
I'll manage.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">(Sorry, i
am DEFINITELY NOT a believer in nominalism! THINGs continue to exist,
regardless of what we call them, and if we call them something else, they are
unphased by it all. Language MAY help us transmit to OTHERS our concepts
of how the universe works, and organize it when it gets long and complicated
even, but I wonder how much it helps US ? At a basic level, anyway,
explanations shorter than your everage VCR manual ... or astronomy textbook.)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">sorry,
mid-night rambling ...</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">hlobaela
Bombaeng,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
Mike || </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: SimSun;" lang="ZH-CN">マイク</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> || </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Mangal;" lang="HI">माईक</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="HI"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">|| Мика || </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Shruti;" lang="GU">માઈક</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="GU"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">|| </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Sylfaen;">მაიქ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> || </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Raavi;" lang="PA">ਮਾਈਕ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> <br>
</span><span dir="rtl" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="HE">מייק</span><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span>
|| </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Latha;" lang="TA">மாஇக்</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="TA"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">|| Miqueu || U C > || <span dir="rtl" lang="AR-SA">ما یک</span><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span> || Mihangel <br>
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Dr Michael W Morgan <br>
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