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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mike Morgan</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:mwmosaka@gmail.com">mwmosaka@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Language programming" 2009.01.17
(01) [E]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Sandy ...
and others of course,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Hi!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Sandy</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> asked:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">>By the
way Mike, what did you mean by "surrogate space" and so on, and<br>
> what's the significance of these terms? I assume they just correspond to<br>
> my topographic and syntactic space, but the terms were interesting.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Surrogate
and Token space are terms borrowed from GilllesFauconnier (<em><span style="font-family: Arial;">Mental Spaces</span></em> (1985. MIT Press) etc) and
developed by Scoitt Liddell for his treatment of American Sign Language Syntax
over the past 15 years.. The fullest treatment is <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">Grammar, Gesture, and Meaning in American Sign
Language.</span></em> (2003) Cambridge Univ Press, which is an excellent
discussion of sign language syntax ... even though i personally do not agree on
many of the theoretical points. (Not being a UG-type exactly, I allow for the
fact that maybe his conclusions apply quite properly to ASL ...
but not to my languages, JSL, ISL, etc. PLUS, of course, I allow for
the fact that I just don't GRASP the need for some of abstraction! but then, I
never DID manage to get through Sartre's <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">being and nothingness</span></em> either!) Part of it, of course, comes
from the fact that my definition of linguistics is much narrower than his (to
me a (real world) rose is NOT a (linguistic) rose is NOT a
(cognitive) rose!) Nevertheless, this culmination of 15 plus years of analysis
has come to some pretty interesting conclusions!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">As for what
the difference between real space and token space and surrogate space .., and
blended space, it is probably better if you track down Liddell's book
(should not be too hard), but if you will allow my gross simplification:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Real space
is, well, real space. So if I point at a book sitting on the table in sign
language discourse, i mean the book on that table.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Surrogate
space is when I, in the course of sign language discourse, a "locate"
my coffee cup on the table in front of me, even though the table has no coffee
cup, and then talk about how i spooned sugar into it , etc, all the whilke
using that bit of empty (or, perhaps NOT empty) bit of real space on the table
to BE my coffee cup. Or, when we hold the non-dominant hand in a certain
configuration for the sign cut, showing that we are cutting a watermelon
and not a chilli pepper, that watermellon is also located in surroagte space.
It is like when we watch a play: Lawrence Olivier is NOT REALLY Hamlet ...
but he is a (good) surrogate.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">To quote
from GG&M in ASL:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">In the
creation of a real-space blend, mental space elements are mapped onto real
space. That cognitive act involves conceptualizing things as something other
than what they are. Whether created as part of discourse or not, real-space
belnds create otherwise impossible entities which have physical properties
inherited from real-sace and conceptual properties inherited from another
mental space. When the signer or speaker is projected ino the blend, the result
is a surrogate blend. (p. 175)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Token space
is when I set up a location in real space for an entity in my discourse, my
house for example, or Scotland, neither of which is present, and then a moment
later point to that space I mean my house, or Scotland, not that empty (or,
perhaps NOT empty) bit of real space just to my left. And, in fact, the
"entity" I locate in token space can be abstract as well ... and so i
can "point" at "love", for example, adn contrast it in
(token) space with "lust"</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">To quote
From GG&M in ASL:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">"Tokens
contrast with surrogate blends in two significant ways. Unlike surrogate
blends, where the signer is at least partially projected into the blend, the
signer does not become part of a token blend. Also in contrast with surrogates,
which are usually unrestricted in where they can be located, tokens are
restricted to the space ahead of the signer. Token blends are contratsed with
depicting blends ... in that they are non-topographical. A token merely exists
as an isolated entity within a token space, where concepts like near, far,
above and below are not relevant. (p. 190)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I am more
inclined towards Sandy's system, and to distinguish and focus all 3
when teaching sign language, although I might NOT be inclined to say that
the 3-way distinction is exactly linguistic. I see the mapping between
linguistic and cognitive as being AS INDIRECT as that between signifier
(linguistic form) and signied ("real-world" object).<br style="" clear="all">
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Mike || </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: SimSun;" lang="ZH-CN">マイク</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> || </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Mangal;" lang="HI">माईक</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="HI"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">|| Мика || </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Shruti;" lang="GU">માઈક</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="GU"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">|| </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Sylfaen;">მაიქ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> || </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Raavi;" lang="PA">ਮਾਈਕ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> <br>
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Dr Michael W Morgan <br>
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