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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Elsie Zinsser</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2009.01.20 (02) [D/E]</span><br>
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<span style="color: navy;">Haai julle</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="DE">Petrus, my Duitse woordeboek (Wahrig) sê dat die vorm </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="DE">wel na die veelogige godheid verwys. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="DE">Een kyk ontketen 'n woedende geveg. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="DE">Elsie</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 5pt 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="DE">From: </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 104, 28);" lang="DE"><a href="mailto:ppvaneeden@ziggo.nl" target="_blank">ppvaneeden@ziggo.nl</a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="DE"><br>
Subject: Etimologie van Argwaan<br>
<br>
Kan iemand my met die woord <i>Argwaan</i> help. Waar kom hierdie woord
vandaan? Was <i>Arg</i> 'n godheid? In die Griekse mitologie is Argus 'n
bekende begrip. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_Panoptes" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="DE">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_Panoptes</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="DE"> Arg is verwant aan die PIE <i>*arg</i> (skitterende, blinkende,
glansende).</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 5pt 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="DE">Was Arg moontlik 'n Waanse godheid (Arg +
Waan)? Vergelyk ook die woord <i>argeloos</i> (sonder Arg). Die woord <i>arg</i>
is verder verwant aan die Engelse woorde <i>argent</i> en <i>argue</i> en
ook aan <i>argument.</i></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 5pt 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="DE">Die woord <i>arend</i> is ook moontlik
verwant aan die woord <i>arg</i> (of Argus)</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 5pt 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="DE">Die Nederlandse uitdrukking: 'Met <i>argusogen</i>
bekijken' is in Afrikaans 'Met <i>arendsoë</i> bekyk' wat die verwantskap
tussen <i>arend </i>en <i>argus</i> moontlik bevestig.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 5pt 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Weet iemand hier meer van?</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 5pt 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Groetjes,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 5pt 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Petrus van Eeden</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Elsie
Zinsser</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2009.01.20 (02) [D/E]</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Hi all,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Diederik, I've heard two forms in Afrikaans:
weerluis / weeluis, depending on the </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">dialectical area. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Elsie</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 5pt 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">From: </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Diederik Masure</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> <<a href="mailto:didimasure@hotmail.com" target="_blank">didimasure@hotmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.01.19 (08) [E]<br>
<br>
Luc: I just wanted to mention the example of weegluis too, altho I only knew it
in the form weekluis with a k. But I never talk/write about this animal so it's
a word that I never needed in my life - so I might just have misinterpreted g
as a k before I learnt the connection with Scandinavian vegg. The animal in
Norwegian is also called vegglus iirc. <br>
<br>
hmm on wikipedia I see it's also called bedwants, that's indeed the animal as I
know it. <br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="DE">Diederik</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Arend Victorie</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:victorie.a@home.nl">victorie.a@home.nl</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2009.01.20 (02) [D/E]</span><br>
<br>
<span style="color: navy;">Moi Petrus,</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="DE">'t woord <i>arg </i>komp uut 't middelnèderlaans. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">Circ. 1270-90) in samenstelling as <i>arglist.</i></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="DE">(1276) <i>arg-waan</i> een aandere vörm van <i>erg.</i></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">'t Woord <i>Arend</i>
(1545) <i>arent</i> 1562<i>, aerndt</i> 1525 midelnèderl.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">aren</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB"> (Circ. 1285). vergeliek
old Saksisch old hoogduuts. <i>arn</i>, old Engels <i>earn</i></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Old Noors </span><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: navy;">ǫ</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">rn</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">. Germ. <i>arnu</i>. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="DE">Beheurd
ok töt 't Grieks, <i>ornis</i> Vogel. Litouwen, <i>ere</i></span><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: navy;" lang="DE">͂</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="DE">lis</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="DE"> arend</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="DE">Ar'gus-ogen = Grieks mythologische figuur <i>Argus</i> is
de 100 ogige bewaker van <i>Io</i> betiekent waakzame niks ontgaonde ogen,
waoran niks ontgiet.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Io_%28mythologie%29" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="DE">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Io_(mythologie)</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Goodgaon,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Arend/Argus????
Victorie</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Heiko Evermann</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:heiko.evermann@gmx.de">heiko.evermann@gmx.de</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">Etimologie van Argwaan</span><br>
<br>
Dear Petrus,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">> Kan
iemand my met die woord Argwaan help. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Waar kom hierdie woord vandaan?<br>
> Was Arg 'n godheid? In die Griekse mitologie is Argus 'n bekende begrip.<br>
> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_Panoptes" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="DE">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_Panoptes</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"> Arg is
verwant aan die PIE *arg<br>
> (skitterende, blinkende, glansende).<br>
><br>
> Was Arg moontlik 'n Waanse godheid (Arg + Waan)? Vergelyk ook die<br>
> woord argeloos (sonder Arg). Die woord arg is verder verwant aan die
Engelse<br>
> woorde argent en argue en ook aan argument.<br>
><br>
> Die woord arend is ook moontlik verwant aan die woord arg (of Argus)<br>
><br>
> Die Nederlandse uitdrukking: 'Met argusogen bekijken' is in Afrikaans 'Met<br>
> arendsoë bekyk' wat die verwantskap tussen arend en argus moontlik
bevestig.<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">><br>
> Weet iemand hier meer van?</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">The "Etymologisches Wörterbuch" by Kluge (this
name always makes me<br>
laugh, the author of a dictionary has the family name "intelligent")<br>
says that Argwohn is based on arg + wahn, where Wahn retains the old<br>
meaning of "Vermutung" (suspicion).<br>
<br>
So what is "arg"?<br>
Arg still is a usual word in some German dialects, meaning bad/evil.<br>
But in North Germany it is not used these
days. The only people I hear<br>
using it come from the south.<br>
<br>
This yields: argwohn means to suspect bad things. No special religious<br>
background required fot the etymology.<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
Heiko</span></span></p>
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From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Etymology<br>
<br>
I am assuming that Dutch <i>erg</i> is a relative of <i>this arg</i>. Both of them
came to mean 'very' (< 'badly', 'terribly') as well.<br>
<br>
'evil', 'bad', 'dire':<br>
Old Saxon: <i>arg</i><br>
Old Frisian: <i>erch</i><br>
Old Low Frankish: <i>arg</i><br>
<br>Derived are Low Saxon <i>Arger</i> 'annoyance', 'trouble' and German <i>Ärger </i>'annoyance',
'trouble' and <i>ärgern</i> 'to annoy', 'to trouble', 'to bother'.<br>
<br>
Originally, <i>wān</i> (> -<i>waan</i>, <i>Wahn ~ -wohn</i>) meant 'expectation'.
In extension it came to mean things like 'hope', 'suspicion', 'belief' and 'delusion'
(hence e.g. German <i>wahnsinnig</i> 'delusional' > 'crazy').<br>
<br>
In Low Saxon, one word for "superstition" is <i>Wangloven</i> ~ <i>Wahngloven</i>
~ etc. I assume we are dealing with the same <i>wān</i> here (perhaps 'wishful thinking'):<br>
<br>
'expectation', 'hope':<br>
Old Saxon: <i>wān</i><br>
Old English: <i>w</i></span><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial Unicode MS";">ǣ</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">n</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> <br>
Old German: <i>wān</i><br>
Old Norse: <i>wān</i> (~ <i>ōn</i>)<br>
Gothic: <i>wēns</i><br>
Germanic: <b>*</b><i>wēni-, *wēniz, *w</i></span><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial Unicode MS";">ǣ</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">ni-, *w</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial Unicode MS";">ǣ</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">niz</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
In extension, there is a group of verbs denoting 'to expect', 'to hope', 'to
suppose', 'to believe', 'to fancy', 'to think':<br>
<br>
Old Saxon: <i>wānian</i><br>
Old English: w<i>ēnan</i><br>
Old Frisian: <i>wēna</i><br>
Old German: <i>wānen ~ wānnen</i> (> MidG <i>wænen</i> > ModG <i>wähnen</i>)<br>
Old Low Frankish: <i>wānan</i> (> MidD, ModD <i>wanen</i>)<br>
Old Norse: <i>v</i></span><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial Unicode MS";">ǣ</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">na<br>
</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Gothic: <i>wēnjan</i><br>
Germanic: *<i>w</i></span><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial Unicode MS";">ǣ</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">njan</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron</span></p>