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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">M.-L. Lessing</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Syntax" 2009.02.03 (01) [E]</span><br>
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Hello all,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">this Genitive construction is widely used in the
Plattdeutsch I learnt for persons and, partly, animals. "Dat
sünd Johann sin Schoh" is more normal than "Dat sünd Johanns
Schoh". If the latter form is used too often, is sounds like adapted high
german -- at least in the Platt I learnt. For things and, partly, animals, you
mostly use the "vun" form: "De Rööd vun dat Auto" instead
of "Dat Auto sin Rööd". </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In high German, both forms exist too, but are considered
very bad German (perhaps consistent with the formerly low reputation of
everything plattdeutsch). I remember one of my early school lessons (who
doesn't? :-)), I was schooled in a village renowned as a somewhat
lower-class place. The teacher showed us a pair of shoes and asked us to
imagine they belonged to our father; how would we express it? The answers
poured in "Das sind Vater seine Schuhe!" The teacher shook her head. <span style="" lang="DE">"Das sind die Schuhe von Vater!"
She still shook her head. </span>Literally no child had ever learnt to use the
correct high german genitive. Timidly I suggested "Das sind des Vaters
Schuhe", fearing another shake of the head :-)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hartlich!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marlou</p>
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