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</style><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="PT-BR">===========================================<br>
L O W L A N D S - L - 15 February 2009 - Volume 01<br>
===========================================</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Anthems" 2009.02.14 (07) [E]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Luc,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Currently,
the Scottish Parliament has no jurisdiction on foreign or immigration policy,
something the Scottish Nationalists would naturally like to change.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Paul</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Derby</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">England</span><br>
<br>
<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">----------<br>
<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Tom Carty</span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:cartyweb@hotmail.com">cartyweb@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Anthems" 2009.02.14 (07) [E]</span><br>
<br>
As reguards passport control, all Britain is one, there is no
autonomy...<br>
<br>
Tom<br>
<br>
Poetry on all topics...<br>
______________________________ </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">__<br>
Writings in Rhyme<br>
<a href="http://www.writingsinrhyme.com/" target="_blank">www.writingsinrhyme.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.lulu.com/cartyweb" target="_blank">www.lulu.com/cartyweb</a></span></p>
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<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">M.-L. Lessing</span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Anthems" 2009.02.14 (06) [E]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Of course Scotland
has its own soccer team!!, and I hope you all know the charming
"anthem" the charming Mc Calmans made for them? If not, click here <a href="http://www.marless.de/scotland" target="_blank">http://www.marless.de/scotland</a>.
(I'll delete it soon again.)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What a beautiful season that was altogether, especially for
football fans! You all remember the nation that finally won in Italy? :-) It
was the nation that later sent the hapless Berti Vogts to Scotland :-)) </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">And how long ago...! Can it be that we are growing old?! :-)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hartlich!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Marlou</p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">From: Tom Mc Rae <<a href="mailto:thomas.mcrae@bigpond.com" target="_blank">thomas.mcrae@bigpond.com</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Anthems" 2009.02.14 (02) [E/LS]</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Scotland</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> of course also fields its own
soccer team, for all the good it has done them :-)</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">The people are fitbaw daft
and will start brawls in pubs arising from disagreements on teams. Despite all
the fanaticism they have not won an International in years</span></span></p>
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<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">James Wilson</span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:jawi2300@gmail.com">jawi2300@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Anthems" 2009.02.14 (06) [E]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Hi
Lowlanders,<br>
<br>
Interesting link Ron. Our Kingdom. And United Kingdom. It will be<br>
interesting to see how the relationship of Scotland
and Wales to the<br>
Hanoverian Royal house of England
develops!<br>
<br>
"..they still look like the conquerors and in the process lose the</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">official identity of their own country."</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Well, Ron
they are the conquerors and if they are losing an official<br>
identity it is probably because they never had an official one. If<br>
they ever tried, the hornets nest would really explode. There are<br>
many areas or regions within the political boundary of England who do<br>
not identify with the 'English' precisely because of "...the rich<br>
cultural and linguistic heritage..." you mention. But also, because<br>
of political and economical clout, or the lack of it. The three<br>
largest areas by population of England
also have the top three spots<br>
in GDP (source=wikipedia) and that is the south eastern corner of<br>
England.
Culturally and linguistically (and historically) the North<br>
East of England has more in common with Southern Scotland, than it it<br>
does with the South East of England.<br>
<br>
As this list is related to Lowland languages, it is this aspect that<br>
intrigues me most and the reason for my joining the list. Language<br>
gives identity and the imposition of another language (and it's<br>
associated culture) creates a false identity, which suppresses the<br>
original. I can sympathise with the Scots animosity towards anything<br>
English, including the national anthem 'God Save the Queen', as this<br>
has been imposed on them. I remember as a child (born=1962) being<br>
taught such regional songs as 'Ca' Hawkie', which for some time have<br>
been frowned upon by the establishment as being 'poor working class<br>
English'! Geordie (my Northumberland dialect) is not, in my opinion,<br>
English.<br>
<br>
I am very grateful to Glenn Simpson for adding Northumbrian to list<br>
and the work done by the Northumbrian Language Society. Also, on the<br>
Lowlands web the main page for Northumbrian
has this 'This page is in<br>
Afrikaans.'. I would, because of the above, be more upset if it<br>
stated 'This page is in English.' ;)<br>
<br>
Many Regards<br>
<br>
James Wilson<br>
<br>
----------<br>
<br>
From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>>
<br>
Subject: Anthems<br>
<br>
And so the hornets keep on buzzing ...<br>
<br>
Paul, I was speaking of common perception, not of historical details and
contentions. I guess I should have made that clearer.<br>
<br>
James, the issues of Cornwall and Northumbria
("Northeast") are of course still very buzz-worthy for many, and I
for one fully realize and respect that.<br>
<br>
I myself have brought up the status of Northumbria several times here on
Lowlands-L. Whatever the people of that region wish and decide, I consider
Northumbrian culture and language "special". Someone here once said
that Northumbrian culture and language should not be directly linked with Scots
culture and language, that it is far more English. Whether this is a case of a
"natural" continuum, the result of integration into England and
English immigration and domination, or all of the above, it is a fact that
Scots and Northumbrian both descended from Old Northumbrian, did constitute a
fairly smooth continuum (Northumbrian - Southern/Borders Scots - Central Scots - Northern
Scots - Insular Scots, </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Shetlandic possibly constituting a separate language) until more recent times. In my way of thinking, Northumbrian
therefore deserves a special place here on LL-L. At the same time, I do not
wish to step on toes and unnecessarily agitate any hornets, just look at,
feature and celebrate the Northumbrian cultural and linguistic complex
irrespective of political borders and sentiments, simply because it does
deserve to be noted and celebrated. This is why I, too, am grateful to our
Glenn for helping us with the featuring, though he's been rather quiet lately.<br>
<br>
So here's my invitation to you, James, and others on the List to help us
reinvigorate the Northumbrian contents of Lowlands-L. We could do with more
postings on the topic, and Northumbrian contents in our on-line presentations
would be wonderful. To start with, we could do with a sound file for Glenn's
Northumbrian version of the wren story (<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/northumbrian.php">http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/northumbrian.php</a>),
or someone could write and narrate the story in the same or another Northumbrian
variety (the more the merrier). Note that in fear of arousing the hornets I
compromised by listing Northumbrian under English (<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/contents.php">http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/contents.php</a>)
but giving it its own information page with an implied disclaimer. Should I
have a Northumbrian section apart from English and Scots?<br>
<br>
Please also note our other educational projects that are yet devoid of
Northumbrian contents. So how about gathering the Northumbrian forces on and
off the List, James?<br>
<br>
Anniversary:<br>
<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/">http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/</a><br>
<br>
Traditions:<br>
<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/traditions/">http://lowlands-l.net/traditions/</a><br>
<br>
History:<br>
<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/history/">http://lowlands-l.net/history/</a><br>
<br>
Travels:<br>
<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/travels/">http://lowlands-l.net/travels/</a><br>
<br>
Language Tips:<br>
<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/beyondthepale/">http://lowlands-l.net/beyondthepale/</a><br>
<br>
Gallery:<br>
<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/gallery/">http://lowlands-l.net/gallery/</a><br>
<br>
Regards and best wishes,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA<br>
<br>
"Ask not what Lowlands-L can do for you! Ask what you can do for Lowlands-L!"</span></p>