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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="PT-BR">===========================================<br>
L O W L A N D S - L - 21 February 2009 - Volume 01<br>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="PT-BR"><br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 96);">Wesley Parish</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:wes.parish@paradise.net.nz">wes.parish@paradise.net.nz</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Language diversity" 2009.02.20 (01)
[E/LS]</span><br>
<br>
On Saturday 21 February 2009 04:33, Lowlands-L List wrote:<br>
<snip><br>
> ----------<br>
><br>
> From: R. F. Hahn <<span style="font-size: 11pt;"><a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com"><span style="" lang="PT-BR">sassisch@yahoo.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="PT-BR">><br>
> Subject: Language diversity<br>
><br>
> Leve Hanne, ik heff dien Œversetten an Arjen wiederstüürt. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Wääs' bedankt.<br>
><br>
> Nice poems, Wes! Suggestion: pick one, and not the longest one. That way<br>
> you may actually get responses, o Evil One.<br>
><br>
> By the way, I'm intrigued by the "masalai" part in the URLs. In
Tok Pisin<br>
> it means something like 'monster' or 'bogeyman'<br>
> (<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/tokpisin.php" target="_blank">http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/tokpisin.php</a>).<br>
<br>
True. I have actually been threatened as a kid:<br>
Bai masalai i kaikaiim yu, sapos yu go insait long bus!<br>
The masalai'll eat you if you go into the bush!<br>
<br>
That day I was running up a hill to my home, and the speaker didn't like<br>
it. ;)<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Reinhard/Ron<br>
<br>
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<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Luc Hellinckx</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Language diversity"</span><br style="">
<br style="">
</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Beste
Marcus,</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">You wrote:</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;"><span style="word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">It's true that Englishmen didn't kill Welsh people and
there were no</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
obvious orders to "kill Welsh language/culture" and the English
indeed</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
were able to indoctrinate Welsh people to participate in their</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
English-only system. There was no big anti-Welsh plot. And still I say,</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
yes, the English tried to eliminate the Welsh language and culture.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
Cause they took many measures to support and protect English, but they</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
took no measures to support or protect Welsh. They didn't try to kill</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
the language but they were fully aware, that the way they were acting</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
could and would lead to the extinction of Welsh in the long run. And</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
they were very fine with that.</span></span></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I
completely agree with everything you write, but this can also be applied to
minorities within Wales.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">There have
been sizeable communities of Flemish weavers migrating to Wales during
the Middle Ages. Do you think any Welshman ever tried to support or protect
Flemish culture or language in Wales?
Don't think so, but please correct me if I'm wrong. If ever, something Flemish
survived in Wales,
I think it is mainly the result of self support. </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">On the
other hand, it's true that this situation cannot be fully compared with the
treatment of Wales by the
English, since the Flemish were migrating to Wales, and the Welsh were there
"first". However, I do not like to use the argument
"first", as a pretext for having more rights (and duties).</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Kind
greetings,</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Luc
Hellinckx</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
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<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">James Wilson</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:jawi2300@gmail.com">jawi2300@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">Re: LL-L "Language diversity" 2009.02.20
(05) [E]</span><br style="">
<br style="">
</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hi Paul
& Heather,<br>
<br>
Paul wrote:<br>
'I believe much of the problem with the languages and dialects of England and Wales is that the speakers refuse
to be bilingual.'<br>
<br>
Sorry Paul but I am going to use Heathers 'GRRRR..'. Any dialect in the UK has been
viewed as lazy, working class, poor English, etc, etc. They have only
ever been studied as dialects of English by anyone outside. The
Northumbrian Language Society (within the area) views it differently.
Also, as a child, I had to leave my dialect/language '...at the school gate';
as it was viewed as something inferior to that which I will be taught, not only
English, but French, German, Latin/Classical Greek! I have never been
bilingual in Northumbrian and English because of the reasons given here.<br>
<br>
I do not believe that I have ever given the impression that others <i>should </i>learn
Northumbrian. I also fully understand the uselessness of my Northumbrian
Geordie; not only south of the Tees river but also in the rest of the world (I
have lived in Denmark for 22 years)<br>
<br>
As to the reference of Geordie violence; I have two boys (they are Danish) who
try to imitate my Geordie and I certainly do not beat them for doing so (as my
English master did so often to those young Geordies who dared venture from the
path of righteousness ;)<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
James<br>
Copenhagen<br>
<br>
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<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Mike Morgan</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:mwmosaka@gmail.com">mwmosaka@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">Re: LL-L "Language diversity" 2009.02.20
(05) [E]</span><br style="">
<br style="">
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Heather,</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Heather
wrote:, </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">I do get so angry when
people promulgate this anti-British (?English) nonsense.</span></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">You MIGHT
want to read the opening sections of the Acts of Union, which make fairly CLEAR
what the English (Henry may have had Welsh blood, but he was fairly Saesneg in
every other part of his body! and the Acts were the work of the ENGLISH
government) envisioned for the Welsh language "sinister usages and
customs" ...</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">It can be
read at:</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=n_vUx1TtH5AC&pg=PA328&lpg=PA328&dq=acts+of+union+all+and+singular+sinister+usages+and+customs&source=bl&ots=nSTPhBFnZT&sig=0reAw3UO-G8wBd5svtrhb04rHDY&hl=en&ei=svufSej9MIbAkAXy4_DmCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result" target="_blank">http://books.google.com/books?id=n_vUx1TtH5AC&pg=PA328&lpg=PA328&dq=acts+of+union+all+and+singular+sinister+usages+and+customs&source=bl&ots=nSTPhBFnZT&sig=0reAw3UO-G8wBd5svtrhb04rHDY&hl=en&ei=svufSej9MIbAkAXy4_DmCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result</a></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">U C > ||
mwm<br>
================ <br>
Dr Michael W Morgan <br>
Ishara Foundation || </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI">ईशारा</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI">फॉउंडेशन</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">|| </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="ZH-CN">イシャラ基金</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
Mumbai/Bombay *|* </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI">मुंबई</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI"> *</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">|*
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="ZH-CN">ムンバイ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">/</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="ZH-CN">ボンベイ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> (</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="ZH-CN">インド</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">)<br>
<a href="http://www.ishara.org/" target="_blank">www.ishara.org</a><br>
+++++++++++++++<br>
"People interested only in the bottom line, seem to have forgotten that
the stars are in the oposite direction" (anon)<br>
-------<br>
Цхьана буйна ши хорбаз тарлур яц. = Ee kinnae haud twa wattermelon wi ae
niv.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">
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<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Language diversity" 2009.02.20 (07)
[E]</span><br>
<br>
from Heather Rendall <a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Correction</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">When I said that there was
no directive from above to 'kill' the Welsh language, I was thinking about the
19th century and clean forgot about earlier directives of exactly that nature -
issued by................ the Tudors, our only Welsh royal family. Was it Henry
VIII or Elizabeth who banned the Eisteddford? And I believe Elizabeth was particularly paranoid about
languages other than English being used - because she wouldn't be able to
know whether they were plotting against her or not????</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Ironic or what?</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Heather<br></span></p>
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