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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="PT-BR">===========================================<br>
L O W L A N D S - L - 22 February 2009 - Volume 04<br>
===========================================</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Mark Dreyer</span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Literature" 2009.02.21 (04) [A/E]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(91, 16, 148);" lang="NL"><br>
Beste Elsie:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Onderwerp: LL-L "Literature"</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Ag dankie, Elsie. Maar glo jy, hoe vinnig is onse Ron op
die kolf! En nog 'n ses op die tweede hou. Gesofistikeerd?Gmf. Ek sê mos die
Australiërs het hom nodig.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Die Uwe,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Mark</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
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<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Mark Dreyer</span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Literature" 2009.02.22 (02) [E/LS]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(91, 16, 148);"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Dear
Rodger:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Subject:
LL-L "Literature"</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Referring
to 'EVA'; Our Ron is <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">too</span></strong>
good at this. Much of the pleasure of this list is sitting back & watching
him bat (pardon the metaphor, I'm working it hard latterly).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Of course I
will not agreeee with your criticism, hem, for professional reasons. On the
other hand I would rather bring more weight to bear on the peculiarity
that the snake sheds its skin regularly, a suggestion that along with
it he sheds his sins & the wages of sin (death): Poo indeed... This is
certainly a serpentine property that the current crop of our politicians would
find most beneficial.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Vasbyt en herstel, hoor!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Die Uwe,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Mark</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"><br>
----------<br>
<br>
From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Mark Dreyer</span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Literature" 2009.02.22 (02) [E/LS]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
Liebe Hannelore:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> Subject:
LL-L "Literature" </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Entschuldichen sie mich bitte, das ich ihr geschrift uber
'EVA' an Unser Ron lese.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">> nu gäw ick as Frugensminsch ok noch mien' Semp
hentau.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">- Up Mäkelborgs', Germany
-</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Un so as
ümmer mien best' Gräuten!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Hard, seer hard is dit om u gedig te verstaan. Om
die betekenis te snap moes ek my Ruti uit die kamer uitjaag en als
met volle steem harduit lees Toe eers vang ek dit. Baie mooi en baie dankie!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Verskoon my tog my basterdiuts dat ek dit liewers nie in
skrif wil waag nie. As u nie alles in Afrikaans volg nie, dan sal ek dit in
Engels vertaal.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Die Uwe,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Mark</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
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<br>
From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>>
<br>
Subject: Literature<br>
<br>
Haai, Mark!<br>
<br>
I need to explain something here, I'm afraid.<br>
<br>
Our Hanne follows the convention of spelling Low Saxon of Mecklenburg in yet
another German-based way. I think it was devised by Renate Herrmann-Winter for
her dictionary of the dialects of Mecklenburg and Western
Pomerania. I find this method even more unfortunate than the other
German-based method I periodically complain about. The reason: while other
methods make an attempt at differentiating long and short vowels (roughly in the Lowlands way), this method
follows the inconsistency of vowel length distinction inherent in German
spelling.<br>
<br>
So, below please find my transliteration of Hanne's poem in three alternative
methods. Perhaps this will help.<br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">General
North German spelling:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"> </span></strong></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">UP ÜMMER EVA</span></strong></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">De Snaak wiest sik mit Fründlichkeit,</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">de tücksch ut ehr ruug' Schuppen sleit:</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">"Kiek daar, de Appelboom, mien Diern!</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">De will, man hett 'n Minschen giern."</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Un Evas Snüting kümmt in'n Rappel,</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">fröögt em: "Hest du <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">daar</span></em><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></strong>ook 'n Appel,</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">du sühst as annern Boom so ut, -</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">hest woll de Pocken," queest ehr Snuut.</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">"Oh, nee! Mien Leiden een sööt Quaal,</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">wat dükert mi so deep Schicksaal.</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Ik müch 't woll dit un weit nich wat,</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">bün giern bi di, mien Appelblatt."</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">"Dien Pocken stinken," kreiht s' up em daal,</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">"as Snakenmess", - un denn mit 'n Maal</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">in 't Greun. O' Eva - plietsch mœt sien. -</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Wat is mit Wahren de Eden fien.</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Algemeyne Schryvwys':</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></strong></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">UP ÜMMER EVA</span></strong></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Dey snaak wyst sik mit vründlichkayt,</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">dey tüksch uut er ruug' schuppen slayt:</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">"Kyk daar, dey appelboom, myn deyrn!</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Dey wil man het 'n minschen geyrn."</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Un Evas snüting kümt in d'n rappel,</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">vroygt em: "Hest du <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">daar</span></em><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></strong>ook 'n appel,</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">du suyst as annern boom so
uut, -</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">hest wol dey pokken," kweyst er snuut.</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">"O, nee! </span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FI">Myn layden eyn soyt kwaal,</span><span style="" lang="FI"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">wat duykert my so deyp schiksaal.</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Ik müg 't wol dit un wayt nich wat,</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">bün geyrn by dy, myn appelblad."</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">"Dyn pokken stinken," krayt s' up em daal,</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">"as snakenmes", - un den mit 'n maal</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">in 't groyn. Ol Eva - plytsch moet syn. -</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Wat is mit waren dey Eden vyn.</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Afrikaans-Nederlandse spelling:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></strong></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">OEP UMMER EVA</span></strong></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Deei snaok wiest zik mit vründlichkaait,</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">deei tuksch oet er roeg' schoeppen slaait:</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">"Kiek daor, deei appelboom, mien deeirn!</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">deei wil, maan het 'n minschen geeirn."</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Oen Evas snuting kumt in'n rappel,</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">vruigt em: "Hest doe <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">daor</span></em><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></strong>ook 'n appel,</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">doe zuust as annern boom zo oet, -</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">hest wol deei pokken," kweeist er snoet.</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">"Oh, nee! Myn laaiden eein zuit kwaol,</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">wat dukert mie zo deeip schikzaol.</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Ik müg 't wol dit oen waait nich wat,</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">bün geeirn bie die, mien appelblad."</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">"Dien pokken stinken," kraait s' up em daol,</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">"as snaokenmes", - oen den mit 'n maol</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">in 't gruin. </span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Ol' Eva - plietsch meut zien. -</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Wat is mit waoren deei Eden vien.</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">daol = down</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">deeirn = girl, honey</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">doe = thou</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">dukern = weigh down</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">kweeist = complains</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">plietsch = clever, cunning, sharp</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">rappel = rattle, fast speech</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">schikzaol = fate</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">snoet = (snout) mouth</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">snuting = deinty mouth (< snoet)</font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">tuksch = sly</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">> nu gäw ick as Frugensminsch ok noch mien' Semp
hentau.<br>Now I, as a woman, will add my ("mustard") fifty cents' worth.<br><br>A widespread feature in these dialects is g-epenthesis when suffixing results in a long vowel being followed by another vowel: /fruu+en/ -> /fruu+g+en/ 'women'. (<i>Frugensminsch</i> (<i>vroegensminsch</i>) = <i>vroumens</i>)</span><br>
<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</span></p>
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