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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">===========================================<br>
L O W L A N D S - L - 24 February 2009 - Volume 06<br>
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From: <span class="ep8xu"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Ben J. Bloomgren</span></span></span><span class="hccdpe"> </span><span class="ldacoc"><<a href="mailto:ben.j.bloomgren@gmail.com">ben.j.bloomgren@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="hccdpe">LL-L "Grammar" 2009.02.24 (04) [E]</span><br>
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Gary asked
about “try to” and “try and.” </p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Yes, I hear it quite a bit. When I get pedantic, I
find “try and” annoying, because it doesn’t make much sense. If someone
says “I’ll try and fix that for you” to me it has a compound verb phrase that would
literally mean “I’ll try and I’ll fix that for you.” To me the verb “try”
semantically calls for “to” before it can mean anything. So, saying “I’ll
try to fix that for you” would sound better to me. However, I admit that
when someone says “try and” I know what they mean.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I find similarities between "try and" and other
expressions like "up and" annd "go and". For "up
and", I use it to mean that something/someone very suddenly happened. My
favorite radio station just up and got rid of Paul Harvey while I was in Mexico. It was
extremely sudden and, in my little mind, traumatic. The "up and" part
doesn't conjugate. The verb used immediately afterward is what conjugates. For
"go and", go does conjugate. She went and slapped him after he scared
her pet bird. </span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" lang="NL">Ben</span></p>
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From: Gary Taylor <<a href="mailto:gary_taylor_98@yahoo.com">gary_taylor_98@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject:<span class="hccdpe"> </span>Grammar<br>
Re : Try and / Try to<br>
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Interesting, so it seems that 'try and' is considered more incorrect in America
than in England... I don't think I've ever been pulled up on saying 'try and'
in the past as being wrong. As Heather says it is interesting that 'try and'
can only be used when the verb is in the form 'try' - to add to what was said,
you can say 'I try and do it every week' but 'he tries and do??? it every week'
would be incorrect for my grammar. Where can the form 'try and' have come from?
It certainly doesn't seem to make sense logically, and I should imagine it's a
fairly modern form, but could it have come from another language - maybe
Lowland? Where does Scots stand on this?<br>
<br>
Gary<br style="">
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