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L O W L A N D S - L - 05 March 2009 - Volume 02<br>
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From: <span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Stan Levinson</span></span></span><span> </span><span><<a href="mailto:stlev99@yahoo.com" target="_blank">stlev99@yahoo.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span>LL-L "Music" 2009.03.04 (05) [E]<br>
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</span>While we're at it, the Irish had the good sense to power their pipes
other than with their breath -- I guess so that they could keep talking while
playing them.... :)<br>
Stan</p>
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From: <span><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Tom Mc Rae</span></span></span><span> </span><span><<a href="mailto:thomas.mcrae@bigpond.com" target="_blank">thomas.mcrae@bigpond.com</a>></span> <br>
Subject: <span>LL-L "Music" 2009.03.04 (05) [E]</span><br>
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On 05/03/2009, at 8:42 AM, R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
</span></p><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Historically, bagpipes are indeed found in most parts
of Europe as well as in parts of North Africa and in West Asia all the way via
Arabia and Iran to India.</span> </span></span></div>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> Folklorist
Robin Williamson (Incredible String Band) recited a poem allegedly written by a
mediaeval Welsh poet who was engaged in amorus dalliance with a cute local girl
when a shepherd came over the hill playing his bagpipes. The poor lass had
never experienced the din before and ran off in terror.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Robin's
updated version of the poem curses the shepherd and his damned rattlebag.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Further
down the track let us remember the portion of JS Bach's "Peasants'
Cantata" where they sing</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">"Let
us hey to the inn where the doodlesack plays.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Hey loorie
loorie etc".<br>
<span style="color: black;"></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"></span><span style="word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="word-spacing: 0px;">Regards</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Tom
Mc Rae</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Brisbane</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">AUSTRALIA</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">"Oh
wad some power the Giftie gie us,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Tae
see oorsels as ithers see us</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Robert
Burns</span></p>
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From: <span><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Mike Morgan</span></span><span> </span><span><<a href="mailto:mwmosaka@gmail.com" target="_blank">mwmosaka@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span>LL-L "Music" 2009.03.04 (05) [E]</span><br>
<br></p><div style="margin-left: 40px;">
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">I understand some people claim that bagpipes were invented in Thrace. </span></div>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Hmmm, maybe
they were taken back to the Gaeltacht as a souvenir for relatives by Celts
passing through Thrace as
they went back home from Cetlic Galatia
(in Turkey)
for the summer holidays ;-))</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">U C > ||
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Wolfgang von Goethe)</span></p>
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From: <span><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 96);">Wesley Parish</span></span></span><span> </span><span><<a href="mailto:wes.parish@paradise.net.nz" target="_blank">wes.parish@paradise.net.nz</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span>LL-L "Music" 2009.03.04 (05) [E]</span><br>
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On Thursday 05 March 2009 11:42, Lowlands-L List wrote:<br>
<snip></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">> From:
Paul Finlow-Bates <<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
><br>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.03.04 (04) [E]<br>
><br>
> An Irishman once insisted to me that they invented bagpipes - as a joke,<br>
> which the Scots haven't got yet.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I can
believe that - the Irish and the Northumbrians both hit on the idea of<br>
putting the arm to work in pumping the bag with a bellows instead of puffing<br>
into it like the rest of the world.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">
> Actually, as you say, a very ancient and widespread instrument. I've
heard<br>
> Hungarian and Swedish ones, amongst others.<br>
><br>
> Paul<br>
><br>
> Derby<br>
> (which has no native bagpipe as far as I know)<br>
><br>
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><br>
> From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Music<br>
><br>
> Folks,<br>
><br>
> Historically, bagpipes are indeed found in most parts of Europe as well as<br>
> in parts of North Africa and in West Asia all the way via Arabia and Iran<br>
> to India.
There are claims that bagpipes were played in Ancient China but<br>
> later fell into disuse.<br>
><br>
><br>
> The Roman *tibia utricularis*, a type of *aulein* (pipe) Emperor Nero<br>
> (37-68) is reported to have been able to play "with mouth and
armpit," is</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Don't tempt
me. I have all sorts of horrible images of precisely _how_<br>
Emperor Nero might have played the pipes with mouth and armpit, none of which<br>
does me any credit.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">
> widely assumed to be a type of bagpipe. Furthermore, there are claims that<br>
> Greeks played bagpipes before the common era. No details are known about<br>
> bagpipes prior to the Middle Ages and Renaissance at which time they
became<br>
> very popular and remained so in folk music until the end of the 19th<br>
> century. Most bagpipes produce very loud sounds. Perhaps this is one of
the<br>
> reasons for them having been choice instruments accompanying (noisy)<br>
> peasant dances in earlier times.<br>
><br>
> We know, among others from engravings and paintings, that bagpipes were<br>
> commonly played in what are now Belgium
and the Netherlands, also in
the<br>
> southern parts of Germany.
Personally I do not associate them with Northern<br>
> Germany's part of the Lowlands. But apparently bagpipes used to be played<br>
> there as well. For instance, The chanter of a 13th-century bagpipe of the
*<br>
> Hümmelchen* type was found in the area of Husum (Hüsem) in Northern<br>
> Friesland, Schleswig-Holstein. (The
*Hümmelchen* came into its own in the<br>
> Renaissance but may have existed earlier.) In fact, the German word *<br>
> Hümmelchen* for this seemingly smaller version of the<br>
> *Schäferpfeifen*("shepherds pipes") with a softer, more buzzing
sound,<br>
> is apparently not the<br>
> diminutive form of *Hummel* 'bumblebee' but was derived from *hemeln ~<br>
> hämeln* ~ *humeln* 'to truncate', 'to shorten', 'to lop', in Middle Saxon<br>
> ("Middle Low German"), the language of the north.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Michael
Praetorius may be the name you need here. His treatise on musical<br>
practices, <i>Syntagma Musicum</i>, also contains an appendix on musical<br>
instruments, de Organographia, which contains a drawing of a nice little<br>
bagpipe.<br>
<br>
It's been used as the basis for various reconstructed (Lowlands)
bagpipes.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">
> I understand some people claim that bagpipes were invented in Thrace. Be<br>
> this as it may, assuming a connection with early shepherding cultures
seems<br>
> reasonable considering that the bag seems to have begun as (and in many<br>
> cases remains to be) an intact goat's or sheep's skin and especially loud<br>
> sounds carried over long distances are a common feature of Eurasia's<br>
> pastoral instruments and singing styles. Given indications that some forms<br>
> of bagpipes existed already in Classical Greek times, I hardly think we
can<br>
> really determine where this type of instrument was first invented. For all<br>
> we know, it may have been invented in an area in which its use came to be<br>
> discontinued a long time ago. (See my first paragraph.)<br>
><br>
> Because of their iconic status, bagpipes are nowadays only associated with<br>
> Hiberno-British cultures in popular cultures. Most people are surprised to<br>
> find out about the true extent of this type of instrument. I would even go<br>
> as far as suggesting we consider it a Eurasia
instrument. (I do not think<br>
> there are equivalents in traditional American and Oceanic cultures.)<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Reinhard/Ron<br>
> Seattle, USA</span></p>
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