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L O W L A N D S - L - 18 March 2009 - Volume 01<br>
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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.03.17 (01) [E]<br>
<br>
Thanks everyone;</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Never
thought of the "axle" connection. Amazing how these things all weave
together!</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Paul</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Derby</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">From: R. F.
Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Etymology<br>
<br>
Yes, Paul, as I like to remind people once in a while, it seems to boil down to
a small number of root words, in Indo-European alone (not to speak of earlier,
larger connections, which I am pretty sure there are).<br>
<br>
By the way, I feel dubious about German <i>Achsel</i> as ‘armpit’. I have a
feeling that earlier it denoted the shoulder joint (as probably did its
cognates in other languages). I’m saying this because dialectically it competes
with <i>Achselhöhle</i>, thus the “hollow” of the <i>Achsel</i>. Also, there’s
the derivative <i>Achselband</i> for a strap to hold a sleeveless garment up
from the shoulder (e.g. a spaghetti strap). Does anyone know more about this?<br>
<br>
(By the way, Paul, “axle” > “shoulder joint” seems to be the connection, and
that goes back to <i>*aks-</i> *” pivot”, apparently to IE *<i>ag-</i> ‘to
pivot’, the <i>-s-</i> nominalizing as in <i>*reg-</i> ‘to rule’ > *<i>reg-s</i>
> Latin <i>rex</i> ‘ruler’, ‘king’; and “axle” is a diminutive form (*<i>ag-s-l</i>).)<br>
<br>
Also, what’s the Low Saxon (of Germany)
for the same thing? I can only come up with <i>Schuller</i> (“shoulder”) for
the shoulder joint and <i>ünner’n Arm</i> (“under the arm”) or <i>Ünnerarm</i>
(“under-arm”) for the armpit (as in English “under-arm deodorant”).<br>
<br>
Cheerio!<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA<br>
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From: Henry, J.R. <<a href="mailto:J.R.Henry@uva.nl">J.R.Henry@uva.nl</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.03.17 (01) [E]</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Oksel
(Dutch) armpit<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
James Henry, Amsterdam</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE">From: "E Zinsser" <<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>><br>
Subject: L-L: Etymology</span></p>
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Na aanleiding vn Luc se possie oor die oksel agter die knie, in Afrikaans noem
ons dit die 'waai'. <br>
"Jahja" lyk my ook 'n ekker woord daarvoor! <br>
<br>
Afrikaansprekendes se oksel word ook 'kieliebakkie' genoem. <br>
<br>
Ek sluit in 'n prettige artikel van Cecile Celliers wat op 11 Maart in Die
Beeld verskyn het.<br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Groete,<br>
Elsie Zinsser </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: georgia,serif;">Beeld-deurloop:
Hoeveelste woord moet waai?<br>
<span style="font-size: 8.5pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="NL">Mar 11 2009
06:29:52:427PM - (SA) <br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><br><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="NL"></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; color: black;" lang="NL">Cecile Cilliers </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; color: black;" lang="NL">“Cecile,” sê Lynette Dinsdagoggend, “help
’n bietjie hier. Jy ken mos Engels.” Ons was oor die naweek by <br>
’n kwekery en die jong Xhosa het ons in Engels bedien. Maar toe hy klaar die
plantjies in die motor gesit <br>
het, vra hy in pront Afrikaans: “Vertel my asseblief, hoe sê mens in Engels:
‘Die hoeveelste president van <br>
Suid-Afrika is Thabo Mbeki?’ ”</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><br><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; color: black;" lang="NL"></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;" lang="NL">Vergeefs het ek in my Afrikaans-Engelse woordeboeke en toe in my baie
Engelse omgewing probeer om ’n antwoord te kry. Die Engelse kon gewoon nie
verstaan wat ek van hulle verwag nie. Om die vraag te verstaan, moet jy
natuurlik kennis van albei tale hê. Hulle kon wel antwoorde voorsien (How
many presidents preceded Thabo Mbeki?), maar dit was omskrywings eerder as
vertalings. Daar bestaan gewoon geen Engelse ekwivalent vir “hoeveelste” nie.
(My voorstel is nie goed ontvang nie: How manyeth?)</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;" lang="NL">In sy navorsing vir ’n BBC-program het ene Adam Jacot de Boinod op ’n
Albanese woordeboek afgekom waarin daar 27 woorde vir wenkbroue opgeteken was
en selfs meer vir ’n snor. So geboei het hy geraak deur die besondere
segwyses van die verskillende tale in die wêreld en hoe kultuur daarin
weerspieël word dat hy in 2005 ’n boek daaroor te voorskyn gebring het: The
meaning of tingo, met as sub-titel: . . . and other extraordinary words from
around the world.</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;" lang="NL">Die woord tingo kom uit ’n taal – kan dit Paskoens wees? – wat op die
Paaseiland gepraat word en wat beteken om dinge een vir een uit ’n vriend se
huis te leen totdat daar eindelik niks oorbly nie.</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;" lang="NL">De Boinod fokus veral op die eienaardighede, die verskille in die tale
wat ons praat en op amusante woorde in die verskillende tale. Afrikaans kom
ook etlike kere in die boek voor – die interessantste voorbeeld is
waarskynlik die woord “waai”, vir die agterkant van die knie, wat glo net in
een ander taal ter wêreld voorkom, in die Australiese Aborigine-Wagiman-taal,
waar die ekwivalent jahja is.</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;" lang="NL">Maar daar word ook vertel van die ooreenkomste: Woorde soos bank, taxi,
sauna en hotel kom in baie tale presies so voor, die moderne lewe met sy
straalvliegtuie en televisie het ’n onvermydelike taalgelykmaking tot gevolg.
De Boinod betreur dié effening, nie net omdat dit tot die uitwissing van
kleiner tale kan lei nie, maar omdat dit die besondere eienheid van tale
bedreig. Hartseer sou dit inderdaad wees, om maar ’n enkele en
na-aan-die-hart-voorbeeld te noem, as “waai” moet verdwyn. </span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;" lang="NL">Moenie korrel nie, het my ma altyd gemaan wanneer ons in die verbygaan ’n
korrel of twee van die druiwetros gryp. Vir “korrel” is daar nie ’n woord in
Engels nie, maar ’n fyn gees wat albei tale goed ken, het op ’n kol spottend
gesê: “We will pick the grapes of wrath quarrel by quarrel . . .”</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: georgia,serif;" lang="NL">Ek soek nie stry nie; glo dat Afrikaans te lekker in die volksmond lê om
sommer te verdwyn. Hy staan gespierd skouer aan skouer met ander tale – en
selfs die magtige Engels moet nog leer van “hoeveelste”!</span><span style="" lang="NL"></span></p>
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