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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">===========================================<br>
L O W L A N D S - L - 19 March 2009 - Volume 03<br>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Elsie Zinsser</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Etymology" 2009.03.18 (05) [A/E]</span><br>
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<span style="color: navy;">Hi all,</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;">Luc, thanks for the input and the link. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;">I knew the German form of ‘waai’ and assumed it
also existed in our Lowlands languages.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;">And why would huk en hurk (A.) not be related?</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;">Elsie Zinsser</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">From: </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hellinckx Luc</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> <<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com" target="_blank">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Subject: LL-L "Etymology"</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Nice article. To my knowledge there is indeed no good translation
in English for Dutch/Afrikaans "hoeveelste". There is a good reply
though if you don't know the answer...the umpteenth one *s*.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">"Waai" on the other hand, is not as unique as you may
think, it's known in German (and other Dutch dialects) as: Wade, usually
denoting the calf of a person's leg. In Brabantish we call it
"braai", but use it mostly in plural "braaien" ('k em ne
schup tegen majn bråån g'ad...somebody kicked my calves).</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Which reminds me of a nice word we use in Brabantish for
"groin": uëgnissen... ~ Latin "inguen", but pretty old
already, Kiliaan registered it in the 16th century.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">A good article about all the different words that are used in
Brabantish to describe the back of a person's knee can be read here:</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/cta2u7" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/cta2u7</a></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">There's also a "huk" in the expression we use for
"to squat": "op uw hukske zitten"=...related with
"oksel"? Anyway, it's probably not cognate with Standard Dutch
"hurken".</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Kind greetings,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Luc Hellinckx</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="NL">Â </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE">----------<br>
<br>
From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Elsie Zinsser</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Etymology" 2009.03.19 (01) [E]</span><br>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Hi all,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Â </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Do you think the huck form (to huck, throw, in
football, skateboarding. skiing) relates to </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">this huck, or is this form more likely to be
similar to Afrikaans haak (to connect, to grab, to engage)?</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Â </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Groete,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Â </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Elsie Zinsser</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Â </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">! Henno & Ron, now I’m thinking
  hock/huck could then well be the origin for the call to American
football players to  </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;" lang="NL">to </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;" lang="NL">Â </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="NL">>Henno:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="NL">Westerlauwer Frisian "hoksen": yn'e hoksen sitte = Dutch "op
je hurken zitten", "hurken".</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="NL">Â </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">>Ron:In German, 'to squat' is <i>hocken</i>, and the
noun 'squat' is <i>Hocke</i>. In some southern dialects, for instance in many
Alemannic ones, <i>hocken</i> means simply 'to sit'.<br>
<br>
In Low Saxon, the verb is <i>hucken</i> <i>~ huken</i> and the noun is <i>Hucke
~ Huke ~ Huuk</i>. So you can say <i>in de Hucke ~ Huke ~ Huuk sitten</i>
("to sit in the <i>Hucke ~ Huke ~ Huuk</i>") for 'to squat (for some
time)'. In Hamburg Missingsch this is literally translated as <i>in'e Huke
sitzen</i>.<br>
<br>
I assume that this is related to English "hock" (as e.g. in
"ham-hock"), a South English alternative to more widespread
"hough", defined by the <i>OED</i> as "The joint in the hinder
leg of a quadruped between the true knee and the fetlock, the angle of which
points backward" and "The hollow part behind the knee-joint in man;
the adjacent back part of the thigh". It goes back to Old English <i>hóh</i>
'heel'.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE">Â </span></p>
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