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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">===========================================<br>
L O W L A N D S - L - 14 April 2009 - Volume 01<br>
===========================================</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Henno Brandsma</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl">hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Technica" 2009.04.13 (04) [E]<br>
<br>
</span></p><div style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">From: Roger
Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc. <<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be" target="_blank">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></div>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Subject: LL-L
Technica</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">When
browsing web pages I often get squares in stead of characters.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I
made a couple of printscreens (jpg files)and marked the squares:</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DA">1 for </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_international_africain" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="DA">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_international_africain</span></a></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="PL">I get </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/cong/wik1.jpg" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="PL">http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/cong/wik1.jpg</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="PL"></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="PL">Â </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DA">2 for </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="DA">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="PL"></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="PL">I get </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><a href="http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/cong/wik2.jpg" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="PL">http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/cong/wik2.jpg</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="PL"></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Do
other people get the same problem when retrieving these web pages?</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">At
least some people must be able to retrieve these pages correctly.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I
appreciate all suggestions helping me out of this problem.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Â </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Thanks,</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Regards,</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Roger</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I see them
correctly. What is the encoding that your browser uses? Change it to unicode
(under the tools or view menus I suppose)</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">and try
both UTF-8 and UTF-16LE.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" lang="DE">Henno </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
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<br>
From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Andy Eagle</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:andy@scots-online.org">andy@scots-online.org</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Technica" 2009.04.13 (04) [E]<br>
<br>
</span></p><div style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Roger wrote:</div>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Subject:
LL-L Technica</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
When browsing web pages I often get squares in stead of characters.</span></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Probably
has to do with browser settings and the fonts available on you system.<br>
<br>
I have some short advice on my website<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.scots-online.org/airticles/unicode.htm" target="_blank">http://www.scots-online.org/airticles/unicode.htm</a><br>
<br>
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<br>
From: Kreimer-de Fries Joachim <<a href="mailto:soz-red@jpberlin.de">soz-red@jpberlin.de</a>><br>
Subject: <span class="gi"><br>
<br>
</span>Am 14.04.2009, 02:11 Uhr, schrieb Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc. <<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be" target="_blank">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>><br>
> When browsing web pages I often get squares in stead of characters. ...<br>
> Do other people get the same problem when retrieving these web pages?<br>
> I made a couple of printscreens (jpg files)and marked the squares:<br>
> 1 for <a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_international_africain" target="_blank">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_international_africain</a><br>
> I get <a href="http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/cong/wik1.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/cong/wik1.jpg</a><br>
<br>
Dag Roger & LL-L,<br>
<br>
No problem here with Opera browser (neither with Safari) on Mac-OSX 10.4 with
UTF-8 (hope the characters can be seen as I see them now):<br>
____________________________<br>
Caractères [modifier]minuscule <br>
a b </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ɓ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">
c d </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ɖ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> e </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ɛ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ǝ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> f
ƒ g </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ɣ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> h x i
j k<br>
majuscule <br>
A B </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Ɓ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> C D </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Ɖ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> E </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Ɛ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Ǝ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">
F </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Ƒ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> G
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Ɣ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> H
X I J
K<br>
minuscule <br>
l m n ŋ
o </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ɔ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> p
r s </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ʃ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> t u v
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ʋ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> w
y z </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ʒ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
majuscule <br>
L M N Ŋ
O </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Ɔ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">
P R S </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Ʃ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> T U
V </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Ʋ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> W
Y Z </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Ʒ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
______________________________<br>
<br>
> 2 for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit</a><br>
> I get <a href="http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/cong/wik2.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/cong/wik2.jpg</a><br>
<br>
No problem in Safari with UTF-8 text encoding (hope you see it as I do when
writing):<br>
________________________________________<br>
Phonology and Sandhi<br>
The Sanskrit vowels are as discussed in the section above. The long syllabic l
(</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ḹ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">) is not attested, and is only discussed by grammarians for
systematic reasons. Its short counterpart </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ḷ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> occurs in a single root only, k</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ḷ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">p "to order, array". Long syllabic r (</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ṝ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">) is also quite marginal, occurring in the genitive plural of r-stems
(e.g. māt</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ṛ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> "mother" and pit</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ṛ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">
"father" have gen.pl. māt</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ṝṇ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ām and pit</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ṝṇ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ām). i, u, </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ṛ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">, </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ḷ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> are vocalic
allophones of consonantal y, v, r, l. There are thus only 5 invariably vocalic
phonemes,<br>
<br>
a, ā, ī, ū, </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ṝ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">.<br>
Visarga </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ḥ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI">ः</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">is an allophone of r and s, and anusvara </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ṃ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">, Devanagari</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI">ं</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">of any nasal, both in pausa (ie, the nasalized vowel). [...]<br>
<br>
____________________________________________<br>
<br>
But in Opera, even with UTF-8 there are problems on this page e. g. with the
last paragraf, where "Visarga </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ḥ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI">ः</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI"> " </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">and "Devanagari</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI">ं</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="HI"> "</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> appeare as mere squares.<br>
<br>
HTH<br>
<br>
Met echt-westfäälsken »Goutgaun!«<br>
joachim<br>
--<br>
Kreimer-de Fries<br>
Osnabrüg => Berlin-Pankow</span></p>
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