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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L Resources<br><br></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" id=":lw" class="ii gt">
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<div><em><font size="2">> L O W L A N D S - L - 27 April 2009 - Volume
02</font></em></div>
<div><em><font size="2">>
From: <span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.</span> <span><<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be" target="_blank">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></span><br>> Subject:
</font></em><em><font size="2">Ll-L
Travels<br></font></em>
<div><em><font size="2">> 2 -
Edingen<strong> (Enghien) </strong>was a Brabantish-speeking municipality before
WWII. Together with 2 adjacent municipaties (now absorbed) It switched to be
completely French with the language census of 1947 and because of that stayed in
the province of Hainaut. During the negotiations in the period 1955-1962 the
Flemish could get some protection by what is called
"facilities".</font></em></div>
<div><em><font size="2">I
understood at the tourist office, elder people are bilingual Dutch(incl.
Brabantish)-French, young people are French-speaking only except for some recent
immigrants from the North.etc etc</font></em></div>
<div><em><strong>AND</strong></em></div>
<div><em><font size="2">> L O W
L A N D S - L - 25 April 2009 - Volume 02</font></em></div></div>
<div><em><font size="2">>
From: <span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.</span> <span><<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be" target="_blank">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></span><br>> Subject: LL-L "Resources"
2009.04.21 (07) [D]</font></em>
<div><strong><em><font size="2">> Edingen</font></em></strong></div>
<div><em><font size="2">> Er is
daar wat in het dialect uitgegeven volgens de toeristische
dienst.</font></em></div>
<div><em><font size="2">>
Contact Mevr. de Preter.</font></em></div>
<div><em><font size="2">> Ik
heb een verkeerd telefoonnummer meegekregen. Moet ik verder nog
uitzoeken.</font></em></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>Here are all data from an
order confirmation for the <strong>2 books in Brabantish Dialect from the (now
Walloon) municipality of Edingen</strong>:</div>
<div><strong>***
quote:</strong></div>
<div><font size="2"><em>Ik zal
uw de twee boeken opsturen na ontvangst van het bedraag van 12 euros
te storten op de volgende nummer: 192-1025011-54.</em></font></div>
<div>
<div><font size="2"><em>Vriendelijk dank,</em></font></div>
<div><em><font size="2">  Anne Deprêter<br> Service
animations<br>Â Avenue Reine Astrid, 18b<br>Â 7850
Enghien<br>      Tél :
02/395.59.06<br></font></em>Â Â Â Â Â Â <font size="2"><em>Fax : 02/395.95.16</em></font> </div>
<div><strong>*** end quote</strong></div>
<div><font size="2">e-mail: </font><a href="mailto:service-animations@enghien-edingen.be" target="_blank"><font size="2">service-animations@enghien-edingen.be</font></a></div>
<div><font size="2">address on the enveloppe: De Preter Anne, rue des Capucins
11/18, 7850 Enghien</font></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>Both books consists of stapled pages in offset, with a plastic cover.</div>
<div>Text on the right sides,</div>
<div>Pictures on some of the left pages in Vol. 1,</div>
<div>Left pages blank in vol 2</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>The first volume is titled: <strong><font color="#800000">"Une Pensée
d'Enghien"</font></strong></div>
<div>no author no date on front pages</div>
<div>though marked on the botton of the right pages:</div>
<div>"Ed. resp.: Anne Deprêter Date: 1/2/2000 Contact: 02/395.59.04"</div>
<div>With credentials on the last page:</div>
<div><strong>Mèi t'collaborouse van:</strong></div>
<div><strong>Â Jef en Suske van de Carillong</strong></div>
<div><strong>Â Willy dit Kilowat</strong></div>
<div><strong>Â Jean den Olefant</strong></div>
<div><strong>Â Jannick, t'maske van de Olefant</strong></div>
<div><strong>Â Yves, de wetel</strong></div>
<div><strong> Nelly, 't maske van  Fraeno</strong></div>
<div><strong>Â Anne, 't klamaske van Fraeno en 't maske van
Prêiter</strong></div>
<div><strong>En bedankt oun Georgio en allemoû de cameroûten</strong></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>The pages are not numbered, I count +- 35 text sides (right sides in the
book)</div>
<div>This volume is a vocabulary + expressions with translations in Dutch and
French.</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><strong>Ne patak méi de pèle</strong></div>
<div>Une pomme de terre en chemise</div>
<div>Een aardappel met de schil</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><strong>Da was éit geschèite</strong></div>
<div>C'était quelqu'un</div>
<div>Dat is mij wat voor iemand [comment: Dat was iets gescheten]</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>While the expressions are pure <strong>Brabantish</strong>, the song is
mainly <strong>Edingen French/Walloon</strong>::</div>
<div>Its basically about the resistance of Edingen dialect AGAINST Dutch.</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><strong>On z'a voulu nous tapeie morts,</strong></div>
<div><strong>Et flamandiseie not'vill et no'bell langue;</strong></div>
<div><strong>Mais nous-z a pas spiteie dehors</strong></div>
<div><strong>Après ça ils peuv'tencor attendre</strong></div>
<div><strong></strong>Â </div>
<div><strong>Refrain:</strong></div>
<div><strong></strong>Â </div>
<div><strong>Onzen Eghiennois</strong></div>
<div><strong>Das giene patois</strong></div>
<div><strong>T'es de toûl van Enge</strong></div>
<div><strong>Criere, rouspeteire,</strong></div>
<div><strong>Pour la liberteie,</strong></div>
<div><strong>De Titjes van Enge</strong></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>etc etc</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>Resistance against Dutch has been found in many municipalities along the
language border as well as in Northern France.</div>
<div>This gave a split in 3 groups:</div>
<div>-Â Speakers of <strong>French</strong></div>
<div>- Defendants of the municipal <strong>Brabantish</strong> dialect (mostly
believing in a coahabitation with French)</div>
<div>- Defendants of <strong>(Belgian) Dutch,</strong> the Flemish
movement.</div>
<div>Since at the language border one was used with French, Dutch was felt by
many as an artificial esperanto-type language.</div>
<div>So many rather preferred French over Dutch.</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>Since municipal authorities often were French-minded (in this case the
municipality was and still is, part of the walloon province Hainaut) they
encouraged people for marking themselves as French-speaking at the occasion
of the 1947 language census (considering that "Edinghen-Brabantish"
and "Dutch" are not the same, and that "Edinghen-Brabantish" was not listed
as an option on the federal census forms; further the 1947 census was close to
the end of WWII, with residual anti-Germanic feelings, including bad
feelings against some Flemish enthousiasts who used the occupation for
getting their case supported).</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>Just this:</div>
<div>The <strong>cohabitation</strong> of local Brabantish dialect with French
didn't last for long.</div>
<div>It ended with, or is ending with, French only.</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>Vol 2: <strong><font color="#800000">Une pensée d'Enghien
2</font></strong></div>
<div>no author, no date</div>
<div>about 40 text pages with blank backsides, not numbered</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>same style,</div>
<div>with a little dialog</div>
<div>and ending with 3 recipees in 3 languages:</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><strong>Bozète</strong></div>
<div>Mattetaart</div>
<div>Tarte à matton</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><strong>Knedels</strong></div>
<div>Klonten</div>
<div>Couilles de Suisse</div>
<div>[comment: balls of rised dough cooked in boiling salty water]</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><strong>Parâsoupe mèi bauretienen</strong></div>
<div>Preisoep (bauretienen = witte bonen)</div>
<div>Soupe de poireaux</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Roger</div></div></div></div>
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