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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Language politics" 2009.05.09 (06) [EN]<br><br></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="im">
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From: <span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Marcus Buck</span> <span><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org" target="_blank">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span><br>> Subject: LL-L "Language
politics" 2009.05.09 (02) [E]</font></div>
</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="im"><div><font size="2">> The Flemish
are on the loosing side and don't have the time the French have. That's what
makes them more angry.</font></div>
<div>Â </div>
</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">I think we easely throw the stone to politicians, and do not
look enough into our society.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">A couple of weeks ago the Flemish minister of education
praised himself about the good results Flemish kids had for French when
leaving primary school.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">In the place I live Steenokkerzeel, at the backside of
Brussels airport, I see all shopkeepers are bilingual and serve French speaking
customers in French.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">For communication between 2 language groups <strong>one needs
only one lingua franca</strong>, not two.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Since (<strong>many) Flemish people</strong> speak both Dutch
<strong>and French</strong> (+ eventually local varieties),</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">there is no incentive for French people to speak Dutch. Why
should they? For fairness? <strong>Who does such an effort just for
fairness?</strong></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Flemish people have a 60 percent majority in the
country..</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">If they stop letting their kids learn French the settlement of
the issue would be easier in a political way.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Eventually a third language could become a
<strong>neutral lingua franca</strong> (as it does already in business and
for some programs at universities)</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Similarely if people of Spanish origin in the US would stop
systematically letting their kids learn any English,</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">at least some state governments would have to deal seriously
with a kind of language apartheid and solve the issue of
communication.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">If kids in Niedersachsen would get education in Low German
only, and get English as second language, Danish as third, and no German, the
federal government of Germany would have to find out how to deal with
this.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">But that is theory. <strong>Only people of a strong language
can behave that way</strong>: just speaking their own language and let others
find out how to communicate. Flemish people, as e.g. shop keepers, are
<strong>too commercial</strong> for not willing to understand French-speaking
customers. I see some Wallon people do efforts for giving some service in
Dutch in area's which are popular for tourists from the Netherlands. Here
they have customers which generally do not speak French, ad here they are aware
that they have to do efforts for keeping them coming.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">After all, that is the <strong>freedom of individuals</strong>
in a Western country.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">And politicians?</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">I think the best tool politicians have is <strong>the school
system</strong>. All recognized schools are strongly subsidized by the
regional/cultural authorities in their territory. As a result we do not have
(much) expensive private school (except for some international schools). It is
costly for individuals to have their kids traveling daily to a school
in an other language area.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">So immigrants send their kids to the primary school in their
municipality.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">The good thing is that these kids are learning Dutch in
Flemish municipalities, and, when grown up, most will normally speak the
language of the municipality in the municipality.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">The bad thing is that in some suburbs only 10 percent of the
kids are initially Dutch-speaking, with gives a burden on teachers and makes it
diffucult to get a reasonably decent quality level.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Regards,</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Roger</font><br>
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