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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: Kreimer-de Fries Joachim <<a href="mailto:soz-red@jpberlin.de">soz-red@jpberlin.de</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2009.06.12 (01) [NDS, EN]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Am 08.06.2009 um 19:07 schrieb Reinhard/Ron:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Theoretically, we should have forms like *doist and *doit here.<br>
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Hey, Reinhard, Marcus & al,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
jüst sau is dat recht ... un in'n Westfäälsken in't geheyl auk
praktisk. Wi maaket't wual meystig sau, as dat theoretisk mot ;-).</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Marcus Book schraif:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Old Saxon short 'i' was sound-shifted to short 'e' in open syllables
and in front of 'r' and 'l' later, so 'nimu', 'giƀu', 'wirpu', and
'hilpu' would all coincide with the infinitive after that sound shift.
The 2nd and 3rd persons were formed with an 'i' in it (e.g. 'hilpis',
'hilpid') and where thus subject to Umlaut. So the 'i'->'e' sound
shift didn't affect them and they stay different until today.
Imperative forms 'wirp' and 'hilp' would have been subject to the
'i'->'e' sound shift too. But in closed syllables 'nim' and 'giƀ'
would lead to 'nimm' and 'giff'.<br>
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Jüst sau is dat. Auk düssen afsluutenden befund van Marcus hadden uuse antkevaars al intuitiv befolget.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Jau un wat de uutgankspunkt was, imperativ "kumm!" of nich, daarto is
mi infallen, dat dat de westfäälske briäkenge »uo« in'n infinitiv
"kuomen" en kort-diphthong is, van aultsassisk »queman > koman >
kuman«. Darümme heyt dat je auk "he kümt" un präterit. "ik k(w)am(m)"
(man präsens "ik kuome/quome"). Darümme haule ik en imperativ-variante
"kum(m)!" nich for alsto fäären van "kuom(m)! < quom(m)!".</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Man dat is mehr uut den hallen/hollen buuk spruoken, würkelk weyt ik
üäwer desse gesetmautigheyden na nich noug bescheyd, auk wan ik nu jüst
bi der jaaresdagunge van dem "Verein für niederdeutsche
Sprachforschung" wiäsen bin.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Goutgaun!</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
joachim</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Kreimer-de Fries</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Osnabrüg => Berlin-Pankow</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: Grammar<br><br>Ja, ja, leyve Jochen. Daar hest d' wul recht.<br><br>In 't Middelsassische was 't noch "ik kwam" (ik quam) voer "ik keym", u.s.w.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Dat verklaart den je ook dat huydige "kümt" u.s.w., as du 't al schreevst.<br><br>Grötens in 't Huus!<br>
<br>Reinhard/Ron<br>Seattle, USA</span>
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