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===========================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="cgSelectable" title="View all messages from this sender">dealangeam <<a href="mailto:atdelange@iburst.co.za">atdelange@iburst.co.za</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span class="cgSelectable" style="cursor: pointer; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" title="View all messages with this subject">LL-L "Morphology" [EN]<br>
</span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>Dear lowlanders,<br><br>Wesley Parish wrote:<br><br></span></font><div style="margin-left: 40px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">FWLIW, I think a lot of the same sort of thing caused the changes in Dutch</span></font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">that resulted in Afrikaans - there were quite a number of Saxon speakers who</span></font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">migrated to the Cape in sufficient number and with a high-enough status to</span></font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">make understanding their language necessary but not enough to make the use of</span></font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">of it necessary. And of high enough status that their lapses in speaking</span></font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Dutch would be forgiven.</span></font><br>
<font size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font></div><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>You are close to my own thinking. I think that Afrikaans was actually an emergence between the two parents Dutch (Hollands) and Saxon (Nederduits). It was completed during the first 50 years since 1652 at the Cape. Afrikaans was therefore often called Cape Dutch.<br>
<br>The reason why the Dutch in Afrikaans is so more apparent than the Saxon, is that Saxon had not a standard written/printed form. The Afrikaners (a word which came into use about1658) had to read the bible and official correspondences in Dutch. It is only in the late 1800’s that Afrikaners began experimenting with Afrikaans in a written form. This was far too late to preserve clearly the Saxon heritage in Afrikaans.<br>
<br>Should one hunt for the Saxon clues in Afrikaans as I did, one will be surprised at how much clues there are in all facets of a language. This is actually the reason why I stumbled onto the LL-List in 1996.<br><br>But, all is not lost. If only present Saxon speakers (especially from NE Netherlands and N Germany) would try writing in Afrikaans, we may discover how Afrikaans might have appeared 300 years ago. But I want to stress that they should do so freely, not heeding at all to standard grammar and spelling. Any emergence in any realm has a notorious way of disregarding what have been thought of as fixed rules.<br>
<br>Mooi loop<br><br>At de Lange</span></font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Subject: </span><span class="cgSelectable" style="cursor: pointer; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" title="View all messages with this subject">LL-L "Morphology" [EN]<br></span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>
Dear Lowlanders</span></font>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Ron wrote:</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="NL">Wasn't it rather non-Europeans, such as Malaiic (Malay, Javanese, Sundanese, etc.)<br>
people and Khoe-Saan people, that were instrumental in transforming (Cape) Dutch<br>to start off the development toward Afrikaans?<br></span></font></p><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="3">Ron, you are right. Nobody is denying it.<br>
<br>By the way, the Khoi (Hottentot) played an important role, but the San (Bushmen) not. Everybody (Europeans, Khoi, Banthu Easteners) hated them, amiable as they are, because of two things. (1) The concept of property rights was completely alien to their culture. (2) They were the masters in hunting and living in the wild veld/bush. Consequently, what they took since it belonged to nobody, was considered as stealing by everybody else.<br>
<br>Emergence happens by way of chaos (see Prigogine in “Order out of Chaos”). The chaos at the Cape between 1652 and 1700 was immense. My opinion is that Dutch and Saxon were the parents of Afrikaans. But the midwife and afterwards the nanny of Afrikaans were the French, the Germans, the Khoi and the Malayans. They helped a lot to get rid of some of the “baggage” of Dutch and a little of Saxon. They helped the evolution potential of these two languages to appear. They also imported a significant portion of their own vocabularies into Afrikaans.<br>
<br>I find it very sad that the evolution potential of a language is driven into the closet as soon as the standardization of the language happens.<br><br>Mooi loop<br><br>At de Lange<br></font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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