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===========================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2009.08.10 (06) [EN]<br><br></span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"> > From: Hellinckx Luc <<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com" target="_blank">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: LL-L "Etymology"<div class="im"><br>> I've heard older people use the word
"som-wijlen" (pronounced "soemaëlen"), meaning "sometimes". "Dik" in "dik-wijls"
probably connects with "thick" (E) indeed. <br>> "Dik" is also often used in
a figurative way, for example: " 't Is dik tien uur" = "It's a little after
ten". " 't Was dik negen euro" = "It cost a little more than nine
euro".<br></div></font>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">** > From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>> Subject:
Etymology<br>> Old Low Frankish: thikko<br>> Limburgish:
<strong><u>dèk</u></strong>, dèks</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">I didn't react earlier, since for "often" </font><font size="2">I can only confirm that in my West-Limburgish of Vliermaal we use
"<strong><u>dèk</u></strong>".</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">"Vaak" is not part of our vocabulary, not for "often", nor for
"tired" ("<strong>meui</strong>").</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">As to the reporting of the time, we have:</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Het és <strong>pekans</strong> 10 oere: It is almost 10
hrs</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Het és <strong>dzjus </strong>10 oere: It is
<strong>now</strong> exactly 10 hrs</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Het és <strong>krek</strong> 10 oere: It is exactly 10 hrs
(<strong>on the 10th ping</strong>)</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Het és <strong>kreig </strong>10 oere: It is only just 10
hrs</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Het és <strong>zékèr</strong> 10 oere: It certainly is 10 hrs
(past)Â </font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"> "Het és <u><strong>dik</strong></u> 10 oere" would also
do here, but with "<strong>dik</strong>" and not with
"<strong>dèk</strong>".</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"> "Het és <u>dèk</u> 10<strong> </strong>oere" means "It
is often 10 o'clock"</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">  I would use a "stoottoon" for dik and a
short "sleeptoon" for "dèk".</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Het és 10 oere<strong> dör</strong>: It is past 10
hrs.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">As to timing in general:</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">doing someting <strong>now, immediately, later</strong>
etc..</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>Â optesloag</strong>: now immediately
(<em><strong>dzjus</strong> without time indication would be the
<strong>immediate past</strong>, cf "zojuist" in Dutch)</em></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong> drèk</strong>: within about 15
minutes</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong> sèffes</strong>: within about 30-60
minutes</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>Â t'ander oer:</strong> within the second hour
from now</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>Â strak</strong>: within about 3-5
hrs</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">I don't think this is very different from
Brabantish.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Regards,</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Roger</font><br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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