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<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: </font><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</font></a><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <</font><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</font></a><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2009.10.14 (05) [EN]</font></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">from Heather Rendall<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">Â </span><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">David wrote:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">Â Â </span>Going a little further on British survivals, there's a very interesting</font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">article on Cumbric on Wikipaedia, which shows the kind of tantalising</font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">... and even beyond perhaps! I have mentioned before the reprint of John Davies "The Celtic Element of the English People" which deals with the Welsh words preserved / used in Lancashire, Northampton and Leicester dialects.</font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">But I am also intrigued and puzzled by Welsh remnants here near Worcester.</font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The first example that struck me was a place name just up the road from me; the area is known as Highfields. One of the houses / plots has been known since at least the 17th C as Huckerfield Gate. Now 'hucker' sounds very close to Welsh 'ucha(f)' which itself means 'higher' as opposed to lower 'isa(f)'. Co-incidence?</font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Then in a 19th century document listing the fields etc of a farm sale it spoke of "<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">Â </span>the woodlands or coydlands as they are known"<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">Â </span>coyd = coed = Welsh for wood. Double co-incidence??</font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Last week I found a field name of 1856 given as Geffyl Croft - more commonly now known as Horsecroft - ceffyl = Welsh for horse. I am now fully engaged in searching for any more!</font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">In a 17th century (1683) a reversion of a lease it states: "and also 4 parcels of lands whose English names are as follows.... "</font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I know there are people who think anything over this side of the Severn constitutes Wales! But are you not intrigued by these words?</font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">PS The river running through Wichenford is the Laugherne. Usually this is ascribed to deriving from the Welsh word for 'fox' BUT in medieval documents it is written 'lawerne' even 'la werne': now Laugherne pronounced 'lawn'. A 1800 dictionary gives lawn as = an open space between woods;<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">Â </span>and Davies in the book mentioned above agrees giving its use in Anglo-Celtic as 'an open space in a chase or a wood' ; he links it to 'llan' an enclosure or 'llawnt' smooth, rising hill; 'llaned' waste or level ground</font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Perhaps the clear land on either side of the river?</font></span></p></div>
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