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===========================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Jonny</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span class="gI"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">LL-L "Etymology" 2009.11.17 (02) [EN]</span><br><br></span><div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" id=":12f" class="ii gt">
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<div><span>Dear
Heather,</span></div>
<div><span></span>Â </div>
<div><span>you
wrote:</span></div>
<div><span></span>Â </div>
<div><span><font color="#008080" size="2"><strong>>>My question is: why do you have ' Nach-' and
not 'Efter- when both English and Lowland languages seem to >>have
retained the '-math' bit.</strong></font></span></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><span>In LS we have
"<strong>achter</strong>" for areal and "<strong>nao</strong>" for
chronological sequences. It's the same like in German
"<strong>hinter</strong>" vs "<strong>nach</strong>": 'Er läuft
<em><strong>hinter</strong></em> mir her' vs 'Es ist schon
<em><strong>nach</strong></em> 19:00 Uhr'. This would be in LS 'Hey löppt
<strong><em>achter</em></strong> mii her' vs 'Dat is all
<em><strong>nao</strong></em> Klokk soyben'Â </span></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><strong><font color="#008080"><font size="2"><span>>></span>[One of the things I like about
this forum is it makes you look up word origins you have
never </font></font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font color="#008080"><font size="2"><span>>></span>thought<span>
</span>about.<span>]</span></font></font></strong></div>
<div><span></span>Â </div>
<div><span>I fully
agree!</span></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div align="left"><span>With
kind regards!</span></div>
<div align="left">Â </div><font color="#888888">
<div align="left">Jonny Meibohm</div>
<div align="left">Lower Saxony,
Germany</div></font></div>
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Marcus Buck</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2009.11.17 (02) [EN]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> <mailto:</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">> <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> <mailto:</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.11.16 (03) [DE-EN]<br>
<br>
from Heather Rendall <a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>><br>
<br>
re the discussion about Nachmahd / Nahmadd<br>
<br>
In English we have 'Aftermath' with the same meaning = ' a second
cutting of grass' . However I doubt whether the majority of English
speakers know this original meaning; rather they use it to descriobe
the results of any action. e.g. " In the aftermath of 7/11 security was
tightened throughout the county."<div class="im"><br>
 My question is: why do you have ' Nach-' and not 'Efter- when both
English and Lowland languages seem to have retained the '-math' bit.<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Part of the answer may be this (I translate the German text about "Grummet" on <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="http://wiki.marcusbuck.org/Namad.jpg" target="_blank">http://wiki.marcusbuck.org/Namad.jpg</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">>):</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
----</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Among scientists it's controversial whether the Germanic people already
mowed the grass twice. It's known, that the Romans did, but there is
some evidence, that mowing twice only became common among Germanic
peoples in the time of the Carolingians or even later. For the first
time of mowing ("Heu" [eng. "hay"]) there is a common Germanic word:
Old High German 'houwi', 'hewi', Anglo-Saxon 'hîeg', Old Norse 'hey',
Gothic 'hawi', which are based on a meaning "something hewn". The
diverse German synonyms for "Grummet", which are all compound nouns and
only attested from Middle High German on, indicate that the words were
created much more recently.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
----</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
So the dtv-Atlas suggests, that the word is much younger than the word
for the first time of mowing. The word(s) only came into existence long
after the separation of Anglo-Saxon from the continental varieties. The
relative similarity of "Namadd" and "aftermath" is not based on a
common ancestor word, but were coined independantly.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
(But, independant from the linguistic stuff, I wonder what's the reason
that the Germanic people only mowed once? I don't know of any major
improvements in agriculture back then that could have improved the
grass growth that much.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
And to come back to Jonny speaking about it as a moribund word: It's
one of the examples where not language decline is the cause for a word
disappearing, but where the word just became unfit to represent reality
anymore. There's no use for a word meaning "second and last time of
mowing" if agriculture has improved thus far that modern farmers can
mow five times a year.)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888">
<br>
Marcus Buck</font><br>
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