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===========================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Tomás Ó Cárthaigh</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:tomasocarthaigh@yahoo.com">tomasocarthaigh@yahoo.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="ik"></span>LL-L "Etymology" 2009.11.23 (04) [EN]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">The version of the story of the Kangarroo take was the Captain asking a
native what the animanl was, to which he got the reply "Kan ga roo?"
which meant "What did you say?" in the Aborigional language the man
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<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">jmtait</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:jmtait@wirhoose.co.uk">jmtait@wirhoose.co.uk</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="ik"></span>LL-L "Etymology" 2009.11.23 (04) [EN]<br><br></span><blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" type="cite">
<div class="im">Sandy wrote:<br><br>
From: Sandy Fleming
<<a href="mailto:sandy@fleimin.demon.co.uk" target="_blank">sandy@fleimin.demon.co.uk</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.11.23 (02) [EN]<br><br>
> From:
<a href="mailto:clarkedavid8@aol.com" target="_blank">clarkedavid8@aol.com</a><br>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.11.23 (01) [EN<br>
><br>
> I heard a story about the eymology of the word "kangaroo".
When<br>
> Captain Cook reached Australia, just as this strange animal
was<br>
> spotted on the shore and people were asking each other what it was,
a<br>
> Scottish crew member who was stuck in the toilet shouted "Ah
cann' ga'<br></div>
> roo'" and the name stuck. Â I am sceptical about this story, as
I can't<div class="im"><br>
> remember any mention of toilets with closing doors in the novels
of<br>
> O'Brien.<br><br>
"Ah cann' ga' roo'"?<br><br>
But what does this mean?</div></blockquote><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Unless this is a rhetorical question, Sandy (?) it's 'I canna get oot.'
As we know, all Scots overseas Parliamo Glesca!</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
John M. Tait.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:clarkedavid8@aol.com">clarkedavid8@aol.com</a></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2009.11.23 (04) [EN</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><br>
</span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="black" face="arial" size="2"><div style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 3px;">
<div>"Ah cann' ga' roo'"?<br><br>But what does this mean?</div>
<div>Sandy Fleming<br></div>
</blockquote></div>
<div><br>
"I can't get out". The story was told to me a long time ago by a Scotswoman.</div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>David Clarke</div></font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:clarkedavid8@aol.com">clarkedavid8@aol.com</a></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2009.11.23 (04) [EN<br><br></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 3px;">Ah cann' ga' roo'"?<br><br>But what does this mean?<br><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888"><br>
Sandy Fleming<br>
<a href="http://scotstext.org/" target="_blank">http://scotstext.org/</a><br>
</font></blockquote></div>
<br>
Perhaps he meant to say "Ah canna ga oot"
but frequent contact with English crew members and frustration caused
him to drop the final "a" of "canna", insert an intrusive "r" between
"ga" and "oot" (a common feature of colloquial English between two
vowels - even the queen does it now,apparently) and replace the "t" at
the end of "oot" with a glo'al stop, which of course could not be heard
by his shipmates on deck. You might object that this is Scots coloured
by Estuary English, but EE was probably around a long time before it
was first documented.
<div>Â
<div>David Clarke</div>
</div>
</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2009.11.23 (02) [EN]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><br>
</span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I gather no word like "kangaroo" has ever been affirmed in any
Eastern Australian language, either as a name for a macropod, "I don't
understand you", or anything else. Many of those languages are extinct
of course, but the surviving ones are all pretty closely related, at
least as close as, say, Indo-Iranian. It would presumably be possible
to reconstruct it if it existed.</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Another one is "boomerang". The returning kind (exclusive to the
north) is a "kylie" (whence the name of the pint-sized songstress).Â
None of the names for the other kinds, anywhere else, sounds remotely
like boomerang, despite it having such an obviously "Aboriginal" sound.</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Part of the problem undoubtedly lies in the fact that many
Aboriginal Australian languages contain sounds unkown to English
speakers, who wrote down the closest thing their ear could discern,
which was often very different.</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Incidently, I've heard that Yucatan in Mexico really does mean "I
don't understand you" in a Mayan language; has anybody heard any
confirmation of this?</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Â </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Paul</div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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