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===========================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Jonny</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span class="gI"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">LL-L "Etymology" 2009.11.29 (02) [EN]</span><br><br></span><div id=":1ib" class="ii gt">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">Dear Lowlanners,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";"><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">perhaps you remember
our discussion about the way on which we got the word E :'church' , DE
'Kirche' into our languages - because we know it is a derivation
of </span><span style="font-family: Arial;">κυριακόν (<i>kuriakón</i> "the
Lord's")</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">or better, as Ron
stated, of κυριακή (<i>kuriakē </i>
"of the Lord").</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">Very interesting
thought, Reinhard, when you write:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">The earliest Greek-speaking
communities in Germanic-speaking areas were probably Jews that followed the
Romans.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">But - maybe I've got
another surprising theory.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">Today I made some
more investigations and discovered a very interesting fact - the Irish/Scottish
way to Christianity went via the Eastern christian communities, not via Rome!!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">de.wiktionary says:</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">>> Das keltische Christentum weist viele Wesenszüge des
vornizäanischen Christentums auf, >> es dürfte näher mit den Ostkirchen,
der heutigen orthodoxen Kirche als mit der römischen >> Westkirche
verwandt gewesen sein.</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">(English: "The
Celtic Christendom shows many characteristics of the pre-nizaeanic
Christianity; it should have been related closer to the Eastern Churches,
todays Orthodox, than to the Roman
Western Church.")</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">And further:</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">>> Die keltischen Klöster legten großen Wert auf das Studium der
Bibel, Irland bekam den </span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">>> Ruf der „Insel der Heiligen und Gelehrten“. Karl der Große lud aus
diesem Grund viele </span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">>> irische Gelehrte an seinen Hof.</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">(English: "The
celtic monasteries placed value on the studies of the holy bible, Ireland thus got the halo as an "Island of the Holies". Charlemagne for this reason
invited many Irish scholars to his residence.")</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">So the well-known
influence of Irish and Scottish missionares on the continental Germanic folks
brought the <strong><i><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">'kirke'</span></i></strong>
with it (even supported by the Mightiest of the Mighty - Charly), and this fact
also explains that</span> <span style="font-family: "Courier New";">'<em><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">kirke'</span></em> appears in Britain nearly
at the same time as on the continent.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">But at last one question
is still to clarify - how did the Scottish and Irish monks (and folks) get
into contact with the Greeks? Ireland
as well as Scotland never
were part of the Imperium Romanum, so perhaps it was
a tradition of pre-Roman trading contacts??!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">One new question
every day...</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">Allerbest!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">Jonny Meibohm</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">Lower Saxony, Germany</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">PS:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Nice thread, Jonny!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">(Thanks, Ron!)</span><br></p></div></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: Etymology</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">OK, here are the words for "church" in the Modern Insular Celtic languages and the most likely donor languages:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Goidhelic:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> Irish Gaelic: eaglais </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> Scottish Gaelic: eaglais</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> Manx: agglish</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Brythonic:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> Cornish: eglos</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> Welsh: eglwys</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> Breton: iliz</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Greek: εκκλησία (ekklēsía)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">> Latin: ecclesia</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Seattle, USA</span><br>
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