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===========================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2009.11.30 (06) [EN]<br></span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
from Heather Rendall <a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></p>
<p style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153); margin-left: 40px; font-family: courier new,monospace;">Jonny wrote: So the well-known influence of Irish and Scottish missionares on the continental Germanic folks brought the <strong><i>'kirke'</i></strong> with it (even supported by the Mightiest of the Mighty - Charly), and this fact also explains that '<em> kirke'</em> appears in Britain nearly at the same time as on the continent.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Two things to add: the
Celtic Church was also keenly influenced by the Desert fathers of the
(?) Coptic or at least Eygptian Christian Church - so contact via the
Med / Gibraltar / Spain perhaps or France / Ireland</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">The concept of the single cell retreat came this way.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Secondly re my reference to
the use of 'betehus' which no-one has picked up. I have always been
puzzled by the town name in Wales of Betwys y Coed where the Betwys =
Chapel. Yet it sounds and looks as tho' it ought to be derived from the
German. Could a returning father have imported it back to Wales???</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Heather</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Worcester UK</p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span></p>
<span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: Etymology</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Heather,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I wonder if early Dutch-speaking immigrants had their hands in this: <i>*betehuus</i> > <i>*bedehuis</i> (<i>gebedshuis</i>)?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Remember that large numbers of medieval Dutch speakers, mostly in the garment trade, moved to Wales and later from their to parts of England and Scotland (hence surnames like Fleming, Walsh, Welsh etc.).<br>
<br>But wait! There's more!<br><br>Old Saxon actually has the word <i>bedehūs</i> ("prayer house")!<br><br>Old Low Frankish sources are scarcer, but I consider it possible that it had a cognate.<br><br>Now I'm starting to wonder if you are right in suspecting that the word was introduce to Wales from a Saxon source.<br>
<br>In Old English I would expect a cognate like *<i>bidda</i></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><i>hūs</i></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, but there seems to no trace of that.<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Seattle, USA</span><br></span><br><br>
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