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===============================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Hellinckx Luc</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="ik"></span>LL-L "Language promotion"</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Beste Liëglanners,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Another way to revive interest in a minority language could happen by
way of reading mass in vernacular. For the sixth time already, this
happened today in Brussels:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="http://www.brusselnieuws.be/artikels/stadsleven/mis-in-brussels-dialect-doet-kerk-vollopen" target="_blank">http://www.brusselnieuws.be/artikels/stadsleven/mis-in-brussels-dialect-doet-kerk-vollopen</a><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Religion going back to its roots? ;=)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Anyway, church was too small to accomodate all the visitors, and people were queueing outside to get in.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Who knows, maybe next time the pope addresses the world with an "Urbi
et Orbi", maybe he's willing to include Low Saxon in the list.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Kind greetings,</span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888"><br>
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Luc Hellinckx,Halle, Belgium</font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Heiko Evermann</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:heiko.evermann@gmx.de">heiko.evermann@gmx.de</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Language promotion" 2010.01.03 (02) [EN]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hi Marlou,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="im"><br>
> Wow! The Welsh seem to have been quite militant. I don't think you will see<br>
> such resolution, even violence among Plattspeakers...<br>
</div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Indeed. They even write their out-of-office autoreplies in welsh...</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Have a look at </span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7702913.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7702913.stm</a><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
"E-mail error ends up on road sign"</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888"><br>
Heiko</font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><br>----------<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Sandy Fleming</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:sandy@fleimin.demon.co.uk">sandy@fleimin.demon.co.uk</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Language promotion" 2010.01.03 (02) [EN]<br><br></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="im">> From: M.-L. Lessing <<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>><br>
> Subject: LL-L "Language promotion" 2010.01.02 (04) [DE-EN]<br>
><br>
> Very interesting, Sandy! I immediately wikipeded S4C and found this:<br>
><br>
> Â Â Â Â During the 1970s, Welsh language activists had campaigned for<br>
> Â Â Â Â a TV service in the language, which already had its own radio<br>
> Â Â Â Â station, BBC Radio Cymru. Both the Conservative and Labour<br>
> Â Â Â Â parties promised a Welsh-language fourth channel, if elected<br>
> Â Â Â Â to government in the 1979 General Election.[8] Shortly after<br>
> Â Â Â Â the Conservatives won a majority in the election, the new home<br>
> Â Â Â Â secretary Willie Whitelaw decided against a Welsh fourth<br>
> Â Â Â Â channel, and suggested that, except for an occasional opt-out,<br>
> Â Â Â Â the service should be the same as that offered in the rest of<br>
> Â Â Â Â the UK. This led to acts of civil disobedience, including<br>
> Â Â Â Â refusals to pay the television licence fee, thereby running<br>
> Â Â Â Â the risk of prosecution or even a prison sentence, and sit-ins<br>
> Â Â Â Â in BBC and HTV studios. Some took more extreme measures,<br>
> Â Â Â Â including attacking television transmitters in Welsh-speaking<br>
> Â Â Â Â areas. In 1980, the former president of Plaid Cymru, Gwynfor<br>
> Â Â Â Â Evans, threatened to go on hunger strike if the Conservative<br>
> Â Â Â Â government of Margaret Thatcher didn't honour its commitment<br>
> Â Â Â Â to provide a Welsh language TV service.[9] The channel started<br>
> Â Â Â Â broadcasting on 1 November 1982, the night before Channel 4's<br>
> Â Â Â Â opening.<br>
><br>
> Wow! The Welsh seem to have been quite militant. I don't think you<br>
> will see such resolution, even violence among Plattspeakers... But all<br>
> you write sounds very good. Another question please: Wikipedia tells<br>
> us there is advertising on S4C. Is it profitable? Is Welsh activism --<br>
> or Welsh conscience, or whatever you call it -- an economical factor<br>
> (in the region)? How many % of S4C's funding is advertising, do you<br>
> have any idea?<br>
<br>
</div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Very interesting! I moved to Wales in 1979 but didn't watch TV until</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
some years later when subtitling became common, so it looks like I</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
missed out on a lot of the fun  :)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
S4C advertises, but I don't know anything about the funding other than</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
clues such as the financial crisis that led them to barter with the BBC</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
over Pobl-y-Cwm and suchlike.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
The Welsh do tend to be militant when it comes to the English ignoring</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
their issues. Many Welsh people have spent years in jail because of it.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
I left Wales in 1997, I don't know how much of it still goes on these</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
days. But life in Wales was always very peaceful: it's all right to be</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
English or Scottish or whatever, just don't be an idiot about it  :)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888"><br>
Sandy Fleming<br>
<a href="http://scotstext.org/" target="_blank">http://scotstext.org/</a></font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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