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===============================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:karlrein@aol.com">karlrein@aol.com</a></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Grammar" 2010.01.11 (02) [EN]<br><br></span><strong style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="#000000"><font size="2">As an aging native speaker of English, I would like to say that:<br>
 <br>I have only heard of "THE Ukraine" and "THE Netherlands". On the other hand, I do not remember ever hearing "the Alsace" or "the Lebanon".  I realize that I am differing with someone from another country (I am from the United States), so if asked to use "the Shetlands" in a sentence I would have said, without further information, "The Shetlands were grazing in the pasture."<br>
 <br>As to collections of islands, only THE West Indies, THE Dutch Antilles, etc. At least I think so, when the plural-marker is there. <br> <br>It is obvious that these choices differ from one country or region to another as well as from one language to another. <br>
 <br>Apparently most British speakers speak of THE ArgenTINE, whereas Americans, and, I assume, Canadians, speak of ArgenTINA. And my Lebanon is my LE Liban in French, whereas THE Congo parallels LE Congo. <br> <br>In Spanish Estados Unidos as subject takes a singular verb, whereas LOS Estados Unidos is plural, something most speakers of Spanish are unaware of unless someone points out the difference.  They both refer to the same place.<br>
 <br>Oh yes, I still say AUX IndeS when I forget that I am supposed to say EN Inde. Did this come with Independence?<br> <br>All this gives us language-folk topics to worry about. And have fun with.<br> <br>Karl Reinhardt</font></font></strong><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" size="2"><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a title="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span></p>
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Grammar<br><br>Hello, Karl!<br><br>It's really nice to hear from you again.<br><br>By the way, in case this is news to you: <i>all</i> of us are aging (though we at Lowlands-L are most definitely improving with age).<br>
<br>And here's a piece of trivia (a *trivium?), an aberration: following the usual pattern, the Dutch name for "India" ought to be *<i>Indië</i>, but it is in fact <i>India</i>. I assume this is because </span></font></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><i>Indië</i> (<i>< Oostindi</i></span></font></font><i><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ë</span></font></font></i><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">, </span></font></font><i><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Nederlands In</span></font></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">di</span></font></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">ë</span></font></font></i><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><i>)</i> </span></font></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">was the colloquial name for Indonesia under Dutch colonial rule (and still is for some Dutch people that dwell in the long passed <i>tempo dhulu</i> of colonialism).<br>
<br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br>Seattle, USA<br></span></font></font>
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